RantRANT: Whycan't we have our own fucking spaces?

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[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Certainly. But what I'm referring to was not a reasonable discussion. It was just name calling or memes. Someone saying how TRA's policing people's sexualities is ridiculous and then adding "I'm not going to fuck someone I don't want just because a group of self-mutilation crossdressers expects this".

I don’t see this as bad or generalizing all trans people. This is calling out the rapey creepy activist wing that is by and large crossdressing people who thoughtlessly encourage surgical self-harm and are preoccupied with eliminating other people’s right to say no.

Making jokes about trans-identifying people killing themselves is abhorrent and inhumane, yes. But I still don’t think transphobia is a meaningful standalone concept especially bc again I don’t think trans is an innate trait. And I absolutely understand being wary around trans people if you don’t know whether or not they’re TRAs, though I feel the same way around my fellow homosexuals. And it sounds like we can both agree that criticism of the veracity of the suicide and violence statistics and the way they are utilized in public discourse is not hateful, but rather necessary.

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don’t see this as bad or generalizing all trans people. This is calling out the rapey creepy activist wing that is by and large crossdressing people who thoughtlessly encourage surgical self-harm and are preoccupied with eliminating other people’s right to say no.

First part was valid and important to state. Calling them "self-mutilating crossdressers" was not necessary.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Whether it’s “necessary” seems to be beside the point. I don’t personally find this to be all that bad or harmful or a hill to die on. This group of people in large part historically identified as cross-dressers. It is often relevant that the people who think that wearing clothes that are culturally typical of the opposite sex (which many gay people have long since been doing without much fanfare or ascribing meaning to it) combined with taking exogenous cross-sex hormones, and consuming plastic surgery should give them any kind of moral high ground or legitimacy in policing the sexual orientation of others.

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Whether it’s “necessary” seems to be beside the point.

But the entire point of this discussion is "why can't we have our own community?". That's the answer.

What used to be is not true anymore. People who used to identify as that might not be around anymore. It doesn't cost much to show this level of respect and call them "trans" instead of something they consider a slur.