RantRANT: Whycan't we have our own fucking spaces?

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[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Possibly, yeah. But ultimately, this is not about being banned from some silly website that Reddit is. If we really want to have a functioning LGB movement, it can't be fueled by hate and "this is our current enemy" rhetoric. Hate is a fuel only for self-serving echo chambers.

I strongly believe that not starting trans topics is the key. If TRA come up with ideas of making children transition, call it out but not in LGB spaces. If TRA engage in discussion with us, {probably} presenting some ridiculous concepts, our answer should be "no, that's crazy, because X" and that's it, moving on, back to our topics and issues.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think these gender topics need to be able to be discussed and demystified by LGB people for us to get out of the fog. Unfortunately they are a big part of our current experience. I do agree we need to additionally and separately focus on creating new spaces for ourselves and to segregate the conversation between run of the mill LGB life shit where the gender ideology topic would not be a permitted topic of discussion other than perhaps in limited immediately relevant ways.

[–]NerveActive 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I'd like to participate in a community like this, but where would it be hosted? Reddit, saiddit, something else?

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Reddit is obviously hostile towards us, Saiddit and all other reddit wannabes lack perspective, I would say Discord.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Discord is banning servers which are reported as "transphobic" so good luck with that

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Well, like I said, no one wants to be a platform for "hate speech". It's bad press.

[–]ukrdude10[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What the fuck is the definition of "hate speech", I haven't seen a coherent one yet. They are allowing hatred against white people, threatening women with rape and death, vandalizing shelters, yeah that's totally not hateful

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's the magic of "hate speech". You can call all sorts of things with that label if you try hard enough.

[–]ukrdude10[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I saw an actual poster in my city saying "racism is not an opinion", which is absolutely ridiculous. "hate speech is not free speech" also doesn't make sense, but these idiotic phrases get shared everywhere.

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're right, this is an incredibly dangerous concept in general. "Hate speech" is the only known mechanism that has enough of social support to successfully limit freedom of speech.