Targeting / HarassmentIt's amazing to see the alienation in real time

submitted by HollywoodLESBIAN from (self.LGBDropTheT)

First "cishets" were the enemy. Then it was "cis white gays". This was followed by the mean terfy "cis lesbians", and now "cis women" are enemy #1.

https://imgur.com/oaiilFo If a person hates women it's misogyny. It doesn't matter if they're trans or not. How can anyone expect women to support the trans cause when apparently it's not only alright to hate women, it's expected.

https://imgur.com/W7SQZce The responses to this tweet is filled with people saying how horrible cis gays are. I get that if you're trans you'd probably feel most comfortable around other trans people, but this competition between trans people and gay people is so weird.

https://imgur.com/yR1JMYm This person actually said something that made sense and everyone replying to her is saying she's a transphobic evil terf.

I don't know whether to laugh at how ridiculous this all is or be worried. It seems like most of the people who subscribe to these beliefs are teenagers/ under 18, so maybe they'll grow out of it. But I don't understand what their goal is. I don't even understand why transgender people want to be under the LGBT umbrella anymore. It would be in everyone's best interest to have the T separate. They've already alienated everyone who's not trans. "Woke homophobia" really is the most accurate term used to describe this. I think if it were trans people pushing for the T to be dropped rather than LGB, most trans people would be 100% on board.

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[–]JulienMayfair 32 insightful - 13 fun32 insightful - 12 fun33 insightful - 13 fun -  (1 child)

Fine. I'm a horrible cis white gay man. We're all evil, so evil in fact, that you shouldn't have any sexual interest in us whatsoever. Sleeping with us would be sleeping with the enemy. You should stay as far away from all of us as humanly possible. Deal?

[–]kwallio 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And yet gay men get hatecrimed more than just about any other group except jews. Funny that.

[–]julesburm1891 25 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Personally, I think the more they keep pushing and letting their homophobia and misogyny show, the more people will peak. Just give ‘em enough rope.

Edit: I like that in the second picture they compare “straight” trans people to LGB people. It’s like they know who’s actually LGB and are just being obtuse about it...

[–][deleted] 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think if it were trans people pushing for the T to be dropped rather than LGB, most trans people would be 100% on board.

Trans separatism. That's a good idea. I wonder what the high-level activists would think, the GLAADS, the Stonewalls, the HRC's rather that just the rank and file.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)

Splitting (also called black-and-white thinking or all-or-nothing thinking) is the failure in a person's thinking to bring together the dichotomy of both positive and negative qualities of the self and others into a cohesive, realistic whole. It is a common defense mechanism.[1] The individual tends to think in extremes (i.e., an individual's actions and motivations are all good or all bad with no middle ground).

Splitting creates instability in relationships because one person can be viewed as either personified virtue or personified vice at different times, depending on whether they gratify the subject's needs or frustrate them.

We 1. have the bodies they want and 2. won't have sex with them.

[–]lavender_menace 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

It’s sounds like some of the people I know with diagnosed borderline or bipolar identity disorders.

[–]reluctant_commenter 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not sure if you are already aware, but there research showing a significant overlap between Cluster B personality disorders (narcissistic and borderline especially) and transgender identification.

(Not sure if "bipolar identity disorder" is a thing though, I think it's just called bipolar disorder.)

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Borderline personality disorder (BPD) gets conflated with the bipolar disorders sometimes (partly because of the similar-sounding terms).

And yes, there's a definite overlap between the Cluster B disorders and trans status; now let's see if I can find some references in my copious pile of links...

Yep, here are two:

  1. https://archive.vn/RChpw
  2. https://archive.vn/7eq6P

You should be able to find the original links at the tops of those pages.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yes. I just didn't specify the Cluster B aspect here since I feel like a broken record about it on this sub (but I imagine so do many of us), but splitting is a prominent feature of a couple of them at least. BPD most notably.

[–]lavender_menace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ah. That’s good to know. Also helps me understand them better and be less affected by the sudden change.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah. Just...this might be stating the obvious, but I wouldn't date any of them if I were you. Far more likely to be on the business end of the types of abuse they dish out (false accusations and smear campaigns being common) when they split someone. Be careful. I personally won't let any of them near me for any reason generally speaking. I'm not obliged to absorb or endure anyone else's problems when they are harmful to others, or risk that they will be. (Just like we are not obliged to be a sex resource for people we are not attracted to.)

If you can't extricate then that's different and you have my sympathies. I watched a sibling of a woman with BPD really struggle to deal with her, without really understanding what was going on. Their mother was equally baffled (and clearly also part of the reason her daughter had the disorder, but I digress).

(None of the above is a comment about people with some form of bipolar disorder. Never any particular issues with the ones I've known, except for one, who I think likely had comorbid NPD that was not diagnosed. Naturally she is neck-deep in TRA brainwashing all the sudden as of the last year. I won't go anywhere near the topic with her, she thinks it's gonna be her salvation late in life and now wants to cut off certain body parts. Which is shocking to me because she's always been the type to know bullshit when she sees it. Apparently, not anymore. I'm quite sure that, despite our long friendship, because I also know her so well, she'd now tear my throat out if I contradicted any of that to try to warn or help her.)

[–]lavender_menace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Kind of late for that. Been there. Done that. Learned my lesson 🤣

Thanks for the advice anyway it’s a good one.

Sorry for your friend. I hope she snaps out of it in time. Otherwise she will have even more issues to deal with later on. Like so many people right now. It is so frustrating and horrifying at the same time seeing people walk all over sinking sand of gender theory.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Kind of late for that. Been there. Done that. Learned my lesson 🤣

Fun "club" to be in, isn't it? /s

Sorry for your friend. I hope she snaps out of it in time.

I doubt she will. She's in her 70s. Plenty of suicidal ideations in her history. This is not going to help. It's going to reinforce that whole thought pattern and focus her even more on the idea that she's a victim. She's currently choosing to be abusive toward me so we're not talking—she does that every few years, out of the blue. And never acknowledges why we stopped talking for years, or apologizes, when we start talking again. I'm kinda done with it at this point. I was more patient when I was younger. So she's probably got nobody around her who will try to talk sense into her. But she did that to herself. I don't want to be crapped on right now. :-/

Thanks for letting me vent a bit.

[–]lavender_menace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

❤️

[–]fuck_reddit 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“No you don’t understand, it’s not misogyny when this man hates women because he says so!”

[–]censorshipment 11 insightful - 8 fun11 insightful - 7 fun12 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

Eh, I see where they're coming from... although I think most of them identify as "non-cis" to opt out of being in the majority (the same as them identifying as "non-straight"). These are the type of people who felt personally offended by generalizations, changed their identities to become minorities, and now "punch up" at people they perceive as more privileged ("cis" women of all types and "cis" gay/bi men).

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How can anyone expect women to support the trans cause when apparently it's not only alright to hate women, it's expected.

Incels with extra steps.

[–]lavender_menace 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t know, man. If everyone you meet is your mortal enemy the real problem is probably you.

[–]TiredTrendersSuper-gay 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It seems like most of the people who subscribe to these beliefs are teenagers/ under 18, so maybe they'll grow out of it. But I don't understand what their goal is.

Tbf, I doubt all the kids in the T community know what their goals are either, beyond emulating every deceitful TRA they interact with of course.

[–]pacsatonifil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It was always women for them they just couldn’t openly admit it before