DiscussionDoes anybody else feel anxious about this whole trans trend and its potential effects?

submitted by INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally from self.LGBDropTheT

Before I looked deeper into the whole T think I either assumed some people saying they're trans were legitimately (accurate diagnosis by a non-affirming therapist; it never occured to me gender affirming therapists existed and it changed a lot to find it out) or were pretending online in a way, which wasn't harmful for them (taking hormones, changing documents while hoping onto a trend). This way I just either ignored such people or I just rolled eyes at 10th non-binary account I came across.

But today as I know more about the behind the scenes of TRAs I just start to feel concerned. Every second account I see online following me is a some form trans. And I realize how easily these people start to take hormones and get masectomies. This terrifies me because I really recognize it as a trend, a fad akin to old teen subcultures like being punk, goth, emo, metalhead etc. but as worse because it involves permanent changes and difficulties with changing documents back. Not to mention how political it is and how any form of skepticism gets radically shunned. Not to mention you have to be dragged into this game or expect to be harassed and doxxed for being a transphobe.

This is concerning for the growing up LGB folks. I already see how one bi dude I knew started to ID as some form of trans. I thought he was just cool with being a feminine men... but that's not the case.

Whenever you go trans topic will be brought up even if you join a space, which isn't related to LGBT+ topics at all. You're into fandoms? You will be flooded by "trans this, trans that" immediately. An impressionable awkward teen will be easily sucked into this and I see it.

People also trying to detect who is a TRF undercover or just subconsciously is also an insane thing I've observed recently. One of the things being that someone disliking being called queer means they must be secretly a TRF, exclusionist or a transphobe. Other things being trying to read between the lines unassuming opinions of people they suspect to be potentially transphobes or checking what accounts they follow or interact with. Insane.

This whole thing makes me miss the good old cringy emos, who could bitch only that "it's not a phase mom" and if no one took them seriously then they could only threw a tantrum at best. Really, trans people are that supposedly the most opressed minority?

I am worried of the possible effects of this fad in the future. Will this even end or it will be getting more and more prevalent everyday?

I am also worried for some of the people I know closer. I know a gay person who is so far content and confident in being gay but they're still young and they already hang out in TQ+ spaces. I try to be as affirming and positive towards them being gay and I try to show that being the sex they're isn't all sunshine and colors to everyone like them so they will realize that certain incoveniences in their sex or a dislikes for dumb stereotypes doesn't mean they must be someone else.

It worries me to see someone like that suddenly come out, make me forget their old name and pretend as if I never knew that person I once knew. I find such experiences somehow upsetting even if I don't exactly hate the fact someone comes out as trans but I really sense that they don't do it because they've been always struggling with dysphoria but because of what they've been exposed to online.

I think it's different when you always saw someone struggling with their identity and they come out as trans vs seeing someone comfortable with who they are coming out as trans after being deep into TQ+ rabbit hole.

Will this horribly unhealthy fad ever end and people will be able reflect on it?

Anyways, I needed to ramble a bit.

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[–]wokuspokusWoman in a man’s world, TERF in whatever we call this madness 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I want to go into academia. I am shit scared of outing myself and fucking up my whole life for believing in biology, my own fucking subject that is being twisted beyond recognition. I am a women, and scared of losing the rights my ancestors fought so hard for. I’m bi, and feel unwelcome in LGBT space. And that’s just me.

Women, LGB people, children who would otherwise grow up gay but are now being transed, autistic girls, even our straight male allies (one was recently attacked in Canada), I worry for. We all stand to lose in one way or another. I just hope it ends sooner rather than later.

[–]julesburm1891 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I legit cannot imagine trying to be a biologist in this climate.

[–]our_team_is_winning 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We're going to end up short changed a whole generation of scientists and doctors because the honest and serious ones will bail out and only shameless liars will be graduating. Scary as all hell.

[–]BEB 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Colin Wright is a US evolutionary biologist who had to leave or left academia for his gender critical views.

He's now managing editor at Quillette and still fighting the good fight against gender ideology - it's his Hill to Die On, so maybe it would help you to view his work?

https://twitter.com/SwipeWright

[–]our_team_is_winning 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I want to go into academia

I recommend a private Christian college. It's a lot easier to nod your head and smile, "yeah, yeah, Jesus, he loved us" than to nod and smile "trans kids born in the wrong body need major surgeries; if a girl likes sports, you need to cut her breasts off; he's a gay boy? you mean he's a GIRL in boy's body! get the loppers!"

[–][deleted] 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think this is a fairly universal sentiment here.

[–]newaccount85 14 insightful - 8 fun14 insightful - 7 fun15 insightful - 8 fun -  (6 children)

This all just comes from psychotic heterosexualism. Heterosexuals turned their sexuality into an identity. I've said it before. The very same people who claim gays and lesbians have their sexuality as their personality are the very same ones who have NO personality or character outside their sexuality, which is why when gays and lesbians "come out", they need to work through their ENTIRE character and personality to build it up since theyre no longer heterosexuals. Remember when straight men were trying (and failed) to try and drink strawberry flavoured alcohol instead of regular piss flavoured beer? It failed because their heterosexuality is so rigidly regulated and turned into an ideology that these people cant even see themselves as straight without having assigned a gender to their food and drinks. And the way they dress...and EVERY political season in EVERY country is "who is the straightest man to run for office. I mean, can you fucking imagine a country ruled by gays as the majority and every 4 years we would judge on who is the gayest of the gay and the most lesbianist of the lesbians wearing flannel shirts and having 3 subarus...and the general population stroking their chins like philosophers wondering how much gay-ism is enough to keep the country headed in the right direction?

And now we have a bunch of straight men who identify as lesbians (which are like 90% of transexuals) and straight women who "identify" as gay men trying to throw rape rhetoric of "fuck me bigot" at us? The only way gays and lesbians stop the transexualizing of gay youth is by teaching them gender doesnt really matter. Feminists invented the word gender to give a name to what straight men tried to define as "biological essentialism"...that women were living, walking breathing dishwasher machines.

Gays and Lesbians will always end up paying the price for this and the bisexual "allies" will just end up running for the hills.

[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Gays and Lesbians will always end up paying the price for this and the bisexual "allies" will just end up running for the hills.

Why is "allies" in quotes? Transgender ideology harms bisexuals; it harms anyone who is same-sex-attracted. (And arguably it does a lot of harm to heterosexuals, too.)

[–]newaccount85 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

They dont experience homophobia and arent willing to suffer through it to endure the work that comes from building the community they benefit from. And theyre right when theyre called out on it, why would they choose to? Holding hands in public while people mock and laugh at you, humbling yourself to make appeals to people's humanity to have your dignity recognized through legal institutions, having to civilize and persuade heterosexuals when it comes to homophobia. This is a journey thats exclusively to gays and lesbians and its theirs alone. It's a curse and a blessing and it's what creates the community. The backlash will be from heterosexuals since transexuals are associated with us. The very nature of our community and its boundaries are formed by its history of homophobia. The homophobia and backlash certainly wont be coming from the transexuals. Lets try to keep things in perspective here. Transexuals are bad...transexualism is caused by hyper heterosexual ideology.

[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is a journey thats exclusively to gays and lesbians and its theirs alone.

No it's not. This is an LGB community called s/LGBdroptheT. Same sex attraction earns rejection and hatred across the board.

transexualism is caused by hyper heterosexual ideology.

That's reductive and not really accurate. The transgender movement involves several different prominent demographics, including autogynephilic men and teenage girls on the spectrum. If you're talking about the phenomenon of gender dysphoria, I guess you could argue that it's largely born out of homophobia, but for many people who have it, homophobia isn't even relevant.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Polemical, but fun. I especially enjoyed the bit about beer. Gendered drinks, indeed. God forbid a man drink something strawberry flavored, because that'll question his masculinity, which is tied to his sexuality. My MO? Does it have booze in it?

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

and EVERY political season in EVERY country is "who is the straightest man to run for office. I mean, can you fucking imagine a country ruled by gays as the majority and every 4 years we would judge on who is the gayest of the gay and the most lesbianist of the lesbians wearing flannel shirts and having 3 subarus...and the general population stroking their chins like philosophers wondering how much gay-ism is enough to keep the country headed in the right direction?

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[–]censorshipment 10 insightful - 10 fun10 insightful - 9 fun11 insightful - 10 fun -  (8 children)

Anxious? Nah. I'm almost 40, and I'm black, and there aren't a bunch of hetero black men running around claiming to be trans lesbians in my neck of the wood. There have always been gay black men running around claiming to be trans women though... but they tend to remain in the black gay male community... they don't colonize black women's spaces. Online, some libfem TRAs recruit them for diversity purposes... such as the blackladies subreddit which is followed by one of the co-founders of Reddit, Alexis aka kn0thing aka Serena Williams' husband. But if you visit a black forum called Lipstick Alley... there are a lot of gender critical women there, one of them is a FemaleDatingStrategy (FDS) sub moderator, and that sub is considered worse than the Gender Critical sub was. Black women tend to be good gatekeepers... we aren't afraid to argue with each other and snatch each other's wigs off. 🤭 so that's why I'm not anxious... if it's one thing black people do well, it's tearing people down and making them feel ashamed to be "queer" (weird). No Mercy. 😈

[–]newaccount85 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

you seem incredibly clueless and seem to be interpreting things through race. You're like one of those "in our homophobic countries, gay people dont exist! we have the death penalty for them but they definitely dont exist!". You 100% have AGP straight men who think theyre women. Our culture, every culture with extreme, psychotic levels of heterosexualism creates them. It's just that they cant openly admit to it. Your enemy isnt truly trans people, it's heterosexualism (the ideology) that brainwashes everyone.

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

one of them is a FemaleDatingStrategy (FDS) sub moderator, and that sub is considered worse than the Gender Critical sub was.

Yeah it is. I'm glad that LSA is based but I tried reading FDS and like, half the advice is reasonable suggestions about avoiding abusive relationships and the other half is a narcissism-fueled acid trip, lol.

[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why would you reply to yourself as if you're someone else?

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Huh?

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nvm, think the site glitched for a sec.

[–]slushpilot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Would you say that black men also feel more free to stand up to the gender nonsense bullshit and call it out? Maybe that helps keep it out of women's spaces?

It does seem like those who are at the top of the intersectional "privilege stack" (straight white men) are probably thinking, fuck that, I'm not sticking my neck out to defend anyone...

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is anecdotal so please take it as that, but, from what I've seen on social media, and the likes, I do think that many black American men aren't on board with Genderology.

Maybe it's because black men realize that, like women, they can't simply change their appearances and their oppression disappears, whereas transgenders can simply change their appearance and they're good to go.

[–]our_team_is_winning 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I had to go thru those "captcha" things to get in, but yeah, some of the discussions there sound just like here. Good!

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/gay-men-aint-safe-anymore-say-hello-to-the-boxer-ceiling.4514993/

[–]reluctant_commenter 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely I feel anxious about it, and I think many other people do as well. The most important message I try to remember about that fact, though, is: I am not alone. There are a bunch of us who think similarly. Parents, healthcare professionals, researchers, even LGB people on social media, we are all being censored, shamed, and ignored when we raise our concerns. But we are all still here, and so is objective reality. The truth has to come out eventually, and I think that the Keira Bell court case is a good sign of future change.

One of the things being that someone disliking being called queer means they must be secretly a TRF, exclusionist or a transphobe.

Oh, fantastic. Me not wanting to be called a slur supposedly means that I hate trans people. I'll keep an eye out for that, thanks.

I've seen other variants of this trend elsewhere and it makes me worried for people's safety. The other day at work I heard a guy say a JK Rowling quote in an admiring way and I couldn't help but think, "I know some of the other people here with us right now hate JKR; I hope there are fewer of them than I think, so that you don't have enemies for this sometime in the future."

It worries me to see someone like that suddenly come out, make me forget their old name and pretend as if I never knew that person I once knew.

As usual, I am reminded of a religion or cult.

I think it's different when you always saw someone struggling with their identity and they come out as trans vs seeing someone comfortable with who they are coming out as trans after being deep into TQ+ rabbit hole.

I'm not sure it is. Even those who were previously struggling with their identity often were preyed upon by the cultlike tactics employed by TQ+ spaces online-- love-bombing, advising to cut off one's family members and friends if they ask questions, elevating the trans community as being "special" and "enlightened," etc.

[–]fuck_reddit 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I had a similar experience. Walked into starbucks a day or two ago and saw a guy I hadnt seen in a year due to COVID. He’d always been a very feminine gay guy. Well now he was a “woman” with developed breasts and a higher voice. He’d always had a high-ish voice, long hair, and feminine mannerisms, but that didn’t alleviate the shock at all. We had a good chat though and he forgot to charge me for my drink.

[–]upcomingDaddygay af 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Disheartening if he comes to regret it, I love super femme gay men but not when they think theyre women :(

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have autism and I can spot kids like me getting wound up in these cultish / controlling spaces. They're quiet, awkward, and very naive. They're indoctrinated online and their identity gets so would up in this high control group they think they're trans. There isn't anything wrong with that per se - people have always believed in weird religions or political movements. The problem here is that the kids are now going onto hrt and getting body parts chopped off / changed. And whilst all teenagers will make mistakes (getting a bit too drunk a few times probably won't hurt you) these are doodles that can't be undone. They're going to have to live with this shit for the rest of their lives. I am so so mad with the medical community, I really hope they get their pants sued off when this blows over.

And I'm pretty positive there are creepy fucks using these groups to groom kids - not just into being trans but possibly into having sex with them. The way Aimee Challenor / Swales / Knight behave is pretty consistent with the way pedophiles groom kids (and adults so that they can have access to the kids). We will probably find out in like 20 years or something when these kids grown up and are able to come forward. They remind me of the Catholic priests - finding elevated positions in the community as leaders, surrounding themselves with dogma that makes them untouchable, fostering connections with vulnerable children (and sometimes also their families and friends - however the ideology does a lot of the leg work for them here), using ideology to cover-up or normalise their strange sexual behaviours (which would have otherwise set off a few red flags for people)...

I get mad about the stuff that's happening to lesbians and lgbs in general and a feel terrible for any kids that grows up thinking that this queer theory shit is real. But I think others have covered those points.