DiscussionLGB alliance is getting out of hand and is turning into a TRA-esque nightmare.

submitted by OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" from self.LGBDropTheT

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[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The other day the following article was posted in here: https://lesbianandgaynews.com/2021/03/report-from-iceland-lgb-activists-battle-against-the-national-queer-organisation-of-iceland/

I zeroed in on the following language:

The self-ID bill went far beyond self-identification and also covered gender autonomy. As a result, children born with various differences in sex development cannot receive adequate medical treatment until they are able to speak for themselves. Parents and doctors can therefore not make the best decisions anymore on behalf of the child. It is quite astounding to see Iceland, which in many respects is such a progressive country, actually denying infants healthcare that would help make their childhood more bearable, while at the same time allowing minors to use puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones. Furthermore, 15-year-olds can now legally change their gender without parental consent.

I asked what they were talking about here and is this cosmetic surgery being performed on children’s genitalia for cosmetic, non-medical reasons? I was unable to get an answer. One thing is clear though: this has nothing to do with being lesbian, gay, or bisexual and as such should not be part of any LGB platform. If people want to support or oppose that, they should not use LGB mechanisms to do so. That’s how we once again lose sight about what same sex rights are all about.

In any case, I am still concerned by this language and it is extremely hypocritical for an LGB organization to be talking this way. What do the intersex activists have to say about this? I want to do know who these people are. They should be made to answer for this and explain their position. We have to be critical of all those who purport to represent us to the public.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen"[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This 100% covers cosmetic "sex changes" and nothing else. Because Iceland specifically proposed a bill protecting intersex children against that, and it did not even pass. The Self-Id and Nonbinary part passed, but the intersex part was dropped because "The bill would have better chances of succeeding without it."

The Icelandic government really backed out on bodily autonomy for a group of people because it might not allow trans people to benefit. The fact that these people think that intersex rights are a trans propaganda thing is INSANE. They hate us just as much.

And of course, once again, who is vetting these "LGB alliances?" Do they just pop up on their own? Is the "main" LGB alliance not concerned who might speak on their behalf? Until they publically denounce anti-intersex and pedophilic behavior I am going to assume they are silent supporters, especially if shit like this gets posted to LGB article sites..

Intersex activists are unfortunately few and far between. Most have been bullied into hiding by TRAs and many intersex platforms (forums, online support groups, etc) have been taken over and re-purposed into trans hangouts. I was in many of them. I even tried to start my own intersex Reddit and it was a mere week or two before I got people posting about gender identity and aggressively asking me why I didn't allow such things.

The biggest reason abuse of intersex people is allowed to go on is because it's a relatively small group. It's not like trans where this stuff is getting into laws because many people are identifying as trans these days. Having a disorder of sexual development is uncommon and due to poor education and misinformation about them, people can have them without knowing, not to mention social stigma. Trans people and others alike know they can get away with mistreating us because they know we hold no power to stop it.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly it sounds like there is overlap with the issues that lesbians face. It’s so hard to find the voices of actual homosexual females. We just get political lesbian/radfems, straight and bisexual women, and now transbians holding themselves out as us. I’m sorry and wish you had better representation. I agree we need to be vetting who is behind the LGB Alliances and what their agendas and relationships with one another are. But I also have no problem with there being multiple LGB groups as long as they are clear on what and who they represent.