Transing ChildrenThe truth about 'trans kids' is that they're the victims of socially legitimated Munchausen's-By-Proxy. This is truly horrific.

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[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I really, really don't like the implication that being GNC as a kid means someone's going to turn out homosexual.

It's creepy to discuss the sexuality of kids, not to mention rather sexist (and possibly homophobic) to insist that gay males are inherently feminine and that lesbians are inherently masculine.

Let's not do that.

[–]usehername 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I also resent this claim. The idea that most women are just "naturally feminine" and the other implications of that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Gender conformity was shoved down my throat as a child, not just from family, but also outside influences, and it's the same for everyone I know. Not to mention: "usually it’s only children who present significant sex-atypical behaviors—such as those with gender identity disorder—that are brought into clinics and whose cases are made available to researchers." In these studies, it's not specified whether these children transitioned or not. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/bering-in-mind/is-your-child-a-prehomosexual-forecasting-adult-sexual-orientation/

People with the paraphilias autogynephilia and autoandrophilia can develop gender dysphoria as a result (this is actually true, the rest is my own speculation as well as the experiences of AGPs and AAPs). It makes sense that gender dysphoria could contribute to the development of AGP and AAP, because such fantasies "affirm" the person's gender identity. The person will continue "affirming" themselves (jerking off to fantasies where they are their desired sex) and condition themselves to be dysphoric. Basically, they will come to desire more characteristics of the opposite sex so their real life will be more like their fantasies. According to AGPs (yes, it's anecdotal), these desires persist even when they are no longer sexual. Now, in the "self-affirmation process," people will begin to develop a "pseudo-same-sex-attraction" where they aren't attracted to people of the same sex, but imagine themselves engaging in the same-sex in their fantasies, or actually engage in homosexual sex, because they see the other person as a tool to make them feel more like the opposite sex, which is their true object of desire (themselves as the opposite sex, that is). People who are actually homosexual or bisexual can also have this paraphilia, but this pseudo-homo/bisexuality is a real phenomenon.

Perhaps these people are skewing the stats?

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I mean, you can't deny that it doesn't happen, though. No one is saying that all GNC kids turn out to be homosexual, but it would be stupid to rule it out as a possibility, especially when people start transing GNC kids sometimes as early as when they're toddlers.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Adding onto this, though, there's some good news on pushback against unnecessary operations on kids. I heard recently that there's a bill in Tasmania that will stop sex reassignment surgery on intersex children/babies until they're old enough to decide what they want to do about it (if the condition isn't life threatening at the time of birth or while growing up). I'm hoping that if that passes, some other appropriate bills concern unnecessary sex reassignment surgery will be passed as well.

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is very good news. Intersex children should be able to make their own decisions about what, if anything, is done to their bodies, and the idea in the medical community that they require surgeries at all is a massive fallacy.

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Exactly. Nobody's saying not conforming to sexist stereotypes about gender means you're not heterosexual. An effeminate male is not necessarily gay any more than a masculine female is a lesbian. But parents are generally more consciously aware of the possibility of their child being bisexual or homosexual when that's the case, because it's the stereotype. Conservative religious parents especially fear that, and worry that because the kid is "different" and "not like the other boys" that they have to push them to conform to rigid heterosexual stereotyping in a misguided attempt to prevent them from becoming homosexual, as if it were something controllable. In a case of a parent seeing their son as too "girly", they're sending the message to their child that they are ashamed of them and would rather have a trans daughter over an effeminate or gay son.

Religious conversion therapy for gay men specifically subjects them to training to try to masculinize them because they believe gender non-conformity is a sign of homosexuality. There are a lot of trans stories of religious parents trying to "trans the gay away", and it's the sort of thing that happens in Islamic countries, where homosexuals are flogged or outright killed, and making them trans is seen as a cure for that. I'm not sure what percentage of every case of a child being transed by their parents is due to religious underpinnings, but I'd suspect it's a decently sized number.

In an ideal world, gender stereotyping and the concept of "gender conformity" wouldn't exist at all.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Or, at least, there is no fanfare if a man is walking around in feminine clothing, especially since women (mostly) have the freedom to wear pants, suits, and other masculine clothes.

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Freedoms which didn't even exist for women not long ago. Imagine being arrested for something as mundane as wearing pants instead of a skirt! The world always feels as if it's a bit mad.

[–]Uranian[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Kids don't stay kids though, they grow up and they explore their sexuality. By taking away the ability to do so we are doing untold damage. The research shows that the vast majority of kids with gender issues tend to grow into LG or B adults. We may not know the mechanisms of this exactly. All I know is that almost every gay man I know talks about a childhood wherein they displayed some "feminine" traits or interests.