Men's IssuesThe thing that never happens happened again: "I cannot fathom any non transphobic reason to have this preference [for cis men]" (Upvoted thread, trans subreddit)

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[–]julesburm1891 30 insightful - 7 fun30 insightful - 6 fun31 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

There are a bunch of comments where people saying prefer ejaculation is fine. But, then there are several people claiming that once they get a phalloplasty they can ejaculate. Wow. Didn’t know an arm skin tube came complete with a prostate, testes, vas deferens, and the genetic ability to produce sperm to ejaculate.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 28 insightful - 5 fun28 insightful - 4 fun29 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

"When someone tells me "I date cis men but not trans men" I hear "I don't consider trans men masculine enough to be attractive and I don't think they're real men". I cannot fathom any non transphobic reason to have this preference, you're just going to exclude a group that is commonly perceived as invalid while including men who are never doubted as men? The only possible reason in regards to attraction would be that they don't consider us masculine enough to be attractive. How is that not transphobic?"

Orrrr maybe their saying they are only attracted to male genitalia and male bodies...which you do not and cannot ever have???

[–]Butterlogs✨Superlesbian ✨ 29 insightful - 6 fun29 insightful - 5 fun30 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

It’s almost as if the typical physical characteristics of a particular sex plays a role in attraction. Who would’ve guessed?

[–]our_team_is_winning 24 insightful - 5 fun24 insightful - 4 fun25 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

"When someone tells me "I date cis men but not trans men" I hear "I don't consider trans men masculine enough to be attractive and I don't think they're real men".

What I hear is "I am attracted to men." That could be coming from a straight or bi woman, or a gay or bi man. All I hear is "I am attracted to men."

Who told these people that the definition of "man" and "woman" was up for debate? Because it is not.

[–]grixit 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

agreed

[–]PassionateIntensity 26 insightful - 3 fun26 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

It's not a preference, it's an acknowledgment of reality. Trans men are not men. It was a fool's errand to play along out of politeness, because this is where it led.

[–]our_team_is_winning 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It was a fool's errand to play along out of politenes

THIS. A thousand times this. Now that the govt is playing along, now what? Too many people felt sorry for them. Nobody actually believes you can change your sex, because you can't. Stop humoring them. Please!

[–]ImNOTRobertPaulson 22 insightful - 7 fun22 insightful - 6 fun23 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

What I got from reading that thread:

Trans people: "You can't gatekeep us! Our gender and sexuality is valid no matter what you think."

Also trans people: "Ok, these are the only valid reasons you can have to not be attracted to us."

[–]censorshipment 16 insightful - 14 fun16 insightful - 13 fun17 insightful - 14 fun -  (0 children)

Virgins shouldn't talk about sex. Shut up until you fuck.

[–]ThrowMeAway2879[S] 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There's some pushback in the comments, but mostly of the "genital preferences are totes okay though"-type. Only one or two people are actually calling it out as incel logic.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

too many G and B calling their sexuality a preference in the comments... goalposts successfully moved. We got rid of the word preference in the 80's for a reason.

[–]reluctant_commenter 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Superphobia.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Fine, I'm transphobic.

[–]Virginia_Plain 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There is so much "almost getting it" in the thread, while willfully ignoring the elephant in the room. Yes, genitals don't fully define a man or a woman, but there are so many other physical characteristics in play too. I think things like a penis or vagina are some of the most obvious things to point out, which leads to the statement of "well, after I get the surgery, you will have no excuse."

At the end of the day, humans are animals, which is something people forget. Like all other species, there is a mate selection process going on, and while there are trans people are definitely able to mimic some or many characteristics of the sex they want to live as, there comes a point where it falls apart. Sometimes it happens at that last step before people get down to the sex, when the clothes come off and you can finally see what is up. The accounts of transmen visiting bathhouses I've read about all see how much they can get away with NOT revealing in order to get sex, a la Lou Sullivan. Wrapping towels around the waist, not letting the man touch their crotch area, and using low/no-light areas are popular strategies. But more often than not, people figure out what's going on before that point. It's happened to me, I start to think someone is attractive, and then I take in more and realize I'm not down for it.

As with gay men and lesbians, being trans is going to limit your dating pool. It sucks. Sometimes it feels insurmountable. There ARE people for whom it's fine to date a trans person, I've met them in real life. Even then, there seems to be unspoken acknowledgement that this is not a run-of-the-mill straight (or gay) relationship. This is fine. A lot of these people dismiss those who are interested in trans people as "chasers" though, and they will not settle for anything other than a 100% USDA organic-certified lesbian or whatever, which is very self-defeating.

It reminds me of the gay dudes who go on about wanting straight men. That married dude who lets you fuck him every other weekend isn't straight, he's a closeted bisexual. But his "identifying" as straight seems to just put the blinders on for everyone involved.

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's very ironic that the group of people who screech about "genital preferences" are the ones most focused on genitals and how we're supposed to ignore sexual dimorphism entirely.

[–]Criticallacitirc 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I love how their big issue is that you don't know if a trans guy is post-op.

Recently on KF in the SRS thread someone posted a video of a healed phalloplasty . It looked literally like squidwards nose. The person flopped, folded & twisted it around in ways a dick could never do. I actually laughed out loud because it was so ridiculous. ( page 89 for whoever is curious 😇)

Who would ever want that ?

Also love the comment from someone that says they want to touch a cis male penis before they die. Haha wtf. Someone already said it but most of the people debating sexuality are teenage virgins.

[–]ThrowMeAway2879[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

KF?

Yes, even the "best" results they like to trot out as gotchas are fairly obvious even in pictures.

[–]SkinnyVanilla 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Kiwi Farms

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's funny how they never call each other out for not being interested in dating fellow trans people. Gee, I wonder why?

[–]shveya 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

This sub of dysphoric truscum women fascinates me. The other day they were all crying over how it's just their vulvas/vaginas that the cis are obsessed with, and it's why they don't see them as actual men. It's like no Aidan, being 4'10 with child bearing hips is how I know you're a chick, not because you haven't sewn an arm dick onto your crotch yet.