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[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Omg for ffs. They simply cannot leave us alone can they?? Even after the tiny subs they go. They have like SO many freaking trans inclusive subs, I'm sorry but I can't simply have any more sympathy for them when THEY eliminated ALL exclusive lesbian spaces.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You make some very good points, and I agree with you. I don't think you're crazy for feeling bad, and I don't necessarily think it's down to female socialisation (men can empathise with others too, you know), it just means you're not hard-hearted or dead inside.

What I struggle with is what I might call compartmentalising my compassion. People who are suffering a genuine mental illness of course deserve our sympathy and support (within reason, of course), and you're right when you say that people enabling their delusions are only harming them in the long run.

It's a bit of a tired comparison now, but I like to think of this kind of thing as analogous to anorexia nervosa. Someone suffering from this serious (and often fatal) mental illness deserves compassion and support. People telling Tiffany that, wow, actually she is kinda fat, maybe going on a diet would make her feel better, would rightly be perceived as horrible monsters, even though it could be argued that this 'affirmation approach' would only really harm Tiffany and those in her immediate circle.

Where the wellspring of human kindness runs dry, however, is the with the chancers. The people who are adopting a transgender identity as a fast-pass for victimhood, and thus a fast-track route to getting whatever they want, because victims must be given what they want all the time (a separate issue).

If we return to our analogy of anorexia, the counterpart here would be the teenage girl who is reasonably mentally healthy, but loudly announces 'Oh my God I'm so faaaaat' so that her vacuous friends shower her in compliments. Or the social media compliment anglers. We've all got some in our friend group (or at least, used to) and we aren't expected to feel any great compassion for these narcissists.

The trouble, I find, is telling the difference, and treating the two groups accordingly. The saintly thing to do would be to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, and treat all people who claim to have a trans identity as if they are genuinely gender dysphoric (thus mentally ill) and deserving of support and compassion. Guaranteeing yourself a place in heaven, perhaps, but doing no favours to (particularly) women, girls or LGB people in this life.

The cynical thing to do would be the opposite: assume that they're all chancers who are trying to invade spaces, erase women, and indulge their slew of bizarre fetishes with non-consenting victims, thus deserving of basically little more than censure and opprobium.

I suppose it boils down to deciding which is the lesser of two evils: offending or upsetting trans people who are genuinely just trying to live their life in a way that makes them comfortable (the cynical approach), or allowing a few of the chancers 'in' in the hopes of trying to act as a genuine ally to those who might need it (the saintly approach).

I realise you didn't ask for an essay, I rather got carried away. Apologies.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No thanks so much for this essay. I just wrote a really long comment properly explaining my situation.

I think, I wont comment the transbian back. Like she can still make her posts but if it becomes too much, they will be removed or I will contact her.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I feel sorry for some trans people. I feel sorry for those who have been told all their lives that they are the opposite sex. I also feel sorry for those who have realised they’ve made a mistake. But they should still stop trying to take over our spaces.

[–]hetisachoice 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I thought we weren't supposed to feel bad for self-loathing gays. I thought we were supposed to subject them to the same hatred and ridicule as the homophobes who taught them to hate themselves. I thought we were to point and laugh when a gay man hates himself so much he would rather be a woman than gay.