ColonizationWhat do transbians have to do with gay history?

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I understand it when people say that transsexuals that were same-sex attracted (ie homosexuals) are a part of gay history but...transbians???

Like it nothing about this mess add up, even going by the TRA logic, that says Marsha P. Johnson (for example) was a transwoman, wtf would "she" even be doing at a gay bar in the 60's if "she" was "straight" and slept with men.

How was Marsha gay enough to hang out with the gays and give us rights lol; but modern day transwomen sleeping exclusively with men should be considered "straight". How can the same activity be considered gay just a few decades ago, but its straight now.

Edit: Why are trans people never expected to sympathize with homosexuals, but we are meant to do it the other way around. Is it the straight privilege that a lot of them have?

Like I am a closeted lesbian and I have never met a trans woman irl before, so is there a significant difference between the homosexual and heterosexual ones?

Also do the collective of transwomen care that the introduction that young teenage lesbians have to their existence, is people telling them that they should not have any sexual boundaries, in their honor. I understand that people are individuals but do you think they care, or are we just all terfs to them?

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[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Back then the mentality was different. They all knew that these dudes in dresses were not women and would never be women. They were just gay men in dresses who wanted to play make-believe and people went 'sure sweetie, you amuse me.' Cross-dresser/transvestite (the ancestor of transbian) was straight men who dressed up as women for sexual fetish reasons and they just did their thing at home, not out in the clubs, drag queens and transsexuals were gay men. All of these people were seen as MEN. I don't know if gay men really wanted them around, but there was so few of them and there was a feeling of 1 - strength in numbers, and 2 - we have so few safe spaces for us anyway, so let's just coexist in this space together.

I was not alive back then and never met these dudes IRL, but nowadays Narcissistic Personality Disorder and other Cluster-B disorders play a huge role with these newest batch of trans identified men. If you notice they are all going "OMG ME ME ME EVERYTHING IS ALL ABOUT ME AND MY GIRL DICK THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE REVOLVES AROND MY FEMININE BUTTHOLE I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN WE ARE NOT ABOUT ME??? DIE TERF DIEEEEE!!!" Like...................... There is no room inside of these men's heads to care about anything or anyone else. These men will literally marry a woman, have kids, decide to transition, and then smear their wives and underage kids as transphobes for not going along with his lunacy. There was a teenage girl on /r/amitheasshole crying because all she wanted was for her father to not show up to pick her up from school dressed like a female pornstar, and the father was making it all about himself and his feelings. His own child. Bruce Jenner was stealing his daughters clothes to wear and watching them fight with each other and not saying anything. These are extremely selfish people. They even sacrifice their own kids to the fetish.

[–]hetisachoice 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Bruce Jenner was stealing his daughters clothes to wear and watching them fight with each other and not saying anything.

Unless it was against gay marriage.

[–]FediNetizenSuper-semi-bisexual (i.e. straight) 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Bruce Jenner was stealing his daughters clothes to wear and watching them fight with each other and not saying anything

As I recall it was actually worse. He denied it and called the daughter a liar when the daughter told the rest of the family about it.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What a creep!

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is no room inside of these men's heads to care about anything or anyone else. These men will literally marry a woman, have kids, decide to transition, and then smear their wives and underage kids as transphobes for not going along with his lunacy. There was a teenage girl on /r/amitheasshole crying because all she wanted was for her father to not show up to pick her up from school dressed like a female pornstar, and the father was making it all about himself and his feelings. His own child. Bruce Jenner was stealing his daughters clothes to wear and watching them fight with each other and not saying anything. These are extremely selfish people. They even sacrifice their own kids to the fetish.

This kind and the type who transition their kids for the virtue signaling points are some of the worst breed of parents.

[–]JulienMayfair 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm now in my mid-fifties, and based on my experience, the big difference now is the appearance of the autogynephilic transwomen who used to be the straight guys who secretly tried on their sister's/wife's/daughter's clothes and masturbated.

Historically, these men were NEVER part of the gay community, and it shows. They couldn't care less about us other than that we obediently give them anything they demand and carry their emotional baggage. In their minds, we exist to serve their psychological needs, period. To that end, they've appropriated all our organizations, publications, and virtual and real spaces.

Significantly, Marsha P. Johnson never claimed to be a woman and even scoffed at the idea that men would think he was a real woman. He made his living as a transvestite prostitute because he found that he made more money this way. Marsha was a character he played, much like the comedian who plays Dame Edna.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Dame Edna

Hello Possums!

[–]reluctant_commenter 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

How was Marsha gay enough to hang out with the gays and give us rights lol; but modern day transwomen sleeping exclusively with men should be considered "straight".

COMPLETELY AGREE.

Sorry for the all caps but it's so goddamn true. Like I remember first observing that when I was first figuring out my sexual orientation and wondered that about the "LGBTQ+" community, and didn't understand it. I still don't. It doesn't make sense. Is Marsha "straight," hmmm? Or is he a gay man who (maybe) fought for gay rights? How far are we gonna go, huh?

edit: Forgot to read the rest of your question, lol.

Like I am a closeted lesbian and I have never met a trans woman irl before, so is there a significant difference between the homosexual and heterosexual ones?

Yes. Yes, there is. I have met a few probably-autogynephilic trans-identified males before. Do you know what autogynephilia (abbreviated "AGP") is? Often, though not always, the transwomen who are not homosexual have a fetish about imagining themselves as women, and that's what it's called. (A few gay men have that too but it seems to be much more uncommon to find a gay man with autogynephilia.)

There were two probably-AGP transwomen I knew who were super passive aggressive. One I didn't know as well, so I can't say much about his actual beliefs. The other said sexist stereotypes, in what seemed an attempt to establish his femininity. For example, he would be like: "Omg that [50 year old professor] is so hot I want him to be my sugar daddy... I just want to not have to work, and just be a housewife and have his babies!" I heard him say this when I was getting lunch with some friends, long before I ever started questioning transgender ideology, but even back then I thought, "What the fuck?"

I understand that people are individuals but do you think they care, or are we just all terfs to them?

I think most plug their ears and go "Lalalala I can't hear any alternatives." I also think that the vast majority of transwomen have literally no idea what it is like being lesbian, so they consequently have no idea the extent of the harm that their actions are doing. The "hierarchy of oppression" in transgender ideology serves this: it says, "Trans people have it the worst so they don't have to give a shit about the thoughts, feelings, and humanity of those gross cisgender gays."

edit2: fixed a million typos/mistakes, clearly it's time for me to sleep. Lol

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Whether or not they mean it, I think these trans-homosexuals TRA's are some of the worst types of homophobes. Like how you gonna rewrite our history, take credit for our movement, and then turn around and say its transphobia to call you gay. Like they openly act like being gay is a bad thing and are okay with homophobia when it benefits them.

They are also allowed to have separate spaces from us but we cant do the same for them, ugh.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There were two probably-AGP transwomen I knew who were super passive aggressive. One I didn't know as well, so I can't say much about his actual beliefs. The other said sexist stereotypes, in what seemed an attempt to establish his femininity. For example, he would be like: "Omg that [50 year old professor] is so hot I want him to be my sugar daddy... I just want to not have to work, and just be a housewife and have his babies!" I heard him say this when I was getting lunch with some friends, long before I ever started questioning transgender ideology, but even back then I thought, "What the fuck?"

Total gender fetish. Was there any same-sex attraction with these particular transwomen?

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah. I did meet a gay trans-identified man one time but that was a different guy.

[–]Shales123 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Where I live (super liberal city) there are probably more agps than same sex attracted transwomen. I know three transbians irl, as well as a nonbinary AGP. I know one MtF who I'm not sure of he's AGP or gay. And I know several gay guys who go by he/they

[–]hetisachoice 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are the same heterosexual men who tried to destroy us before.