METAWhy Do You Want To "Drop The T"?

submitted by NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void[M] from (self.LGBDropTheT)

Right now we're a small group of people who fiercely believe that LGB and T need to be separated. We need to start acting in real life, no matter how big or small, and get our message out there. Wake up the rest of the world to the fact that LGB-alphabet-soup isn't us, will never be us, and it's not right how they're representing us. Hell, the TQ+ community has even isolated its own trans members (that's their problem, but it's certainly relevant).

Pro-TQ+ silenced the few of us remaining on Clayton's prior "DropTheT" sub, and since then, so very many more came forward in support. While we were forced to reconvene here suddenly, in our end-days on Reddit, we were 23K strong and growing by more than 1000 members each month. And there's over 1700 of you here now!

That means there's so many more of us out there just waiting for direction, inspiration, a message of hope. They need to hear that they're not alone.

So talk now, here. Tell us your reasons why you think LGB needs to "Drop The T".

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[–]Seahorse 45 insightful - 2 fun45 insightful - 1 fun46 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Because my sexuality is not the same as their "identity".

Just because some fuck throws on a dress doesn't make them a female. These people have erased my sexuality and taken away spaces dedicated to lesbians and gay men.

It's sickening.

They're also using conversion therapy on gay or gender non conforming youngsters. I was a gender non conforming youngster and I'm angry about what they're doing to our kids that would likely end up as completely happy gay adults!

These people are nothing like me or my gay/bi/lesbian crew, we have no similarities with their batshit gender ideology.

[–]julesburm1891 38 insightful - 1 fun38 insightful - 0 fun39 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because I was sent to conversion therapy when I was a teenager and it messed me up for years. The rhetoric coming out of trans rights activists is the same homophobic bile meant to make people feel shame in their sexuality and aim to “correct” it. Young lesbians and gay men should not be made to feel ashamed or bad for being exclusively same-sex attracted.

Because LGB people are being robbed of language with which to describe ourselves and organize on our behalf. (If lesbians can’t acknowledge that we’re homosexual women, how are we supposed to have any coherent conversations about lesbian issues or fight anti-lesbian bigotry?)

Because the trans community is advocating for policies that are unfair at best and dangerous at worst (e.g. males in women’s sports, females in men’s prisons, etc.). These policies will cause a massive backlash sooner or later. If LGB people are silent or complicit on these issues, we will suffer in that backlash.

Because making unalterable and unnecessary medical decisions for children who cannot consent to them is unconscionable.

Because the trans community’s push to trans children is primarily affecting gender non-conforming kids and LGB kids. These kids need love and support, not procedures that will sterilize them and cause permanent damage to their bodies.

Because intersex people are neither pawns nor shields. They are men and women who deserve the right to make choices about their bodies, access appropriate medical care, and live with dignity.

Because bisexual men and women are entitled to set their own sexual boundaries without being shamed or harassed for it.

Because writing LGB people out of LGB history is harmful.

Because the antics of trans rights activists are being touted as evidence to continue and/or escalate discrimination against LGB people in places where LGB people do not have the rights and protections we have in the West. This is particularly harmful to our Polish and Hungarian brothers and sisters.

Because the trans community’s willingness to engage in intimidation, doxxing, and physical violence to people who oppose or simply question their agenda is unacceptable. This behavior does not speak for LGB people.

Because gender identity has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry you went through conversion therapy. I hope you’re doing better now.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Beginning around 2015 I’ve noticed that the T has been gaining more attention at the expense of the other letters. Then there was all this talk about multiple genders. Initially, I was on board with all of this, because I wanted to be polite, empathetic and supportive of other people. Plus, my country just legalised gay marriage by referendum at the time, so I felt like the LGB in Ireland have all of our questions answered. But it was not long before TRAs became demanding. Not so much in Ireland, but very much so in North America and next door in the UK. The demands by TRAs were unreasonable: pronoun laws, entitlement to sex, transgender topics in primary schools, worshipping trans women and ignoring issues that were still staring gay men and lesbians in the face. I still supported transgender rights, but I felt that TRAs were going to far. I also still supported keeping the T at the end: my logic was that a gay transgender is physically gay while a straight transgender presents himself or herself as gay. But I was getting tired of it. This was around 2016, and I would have peaked the following year had I not come across Blair White's channel.

Blair White sounded well-spoken, intelligent and sane, so that ensured that I would continue to support the T. But all this did was delay the inevitable. TRAs continued to get more demanding and entitled. Canada submitted to these demands in 2017. And people like Blair White and Theryn Meyer were getting on my nerves. Theryn Meyer became an SJW, and Blair White was acting like one of those stereotypical gay men you’d see on Hollywood: petty, rude, shallow, catty, over-the-top. Yes, Blair hates paedophiles, opposes transgender children and knows that there are only two genders, but that is common sense shit. He was also associated with the YouTube SkepticTM community. The SkepticsTM are a group of people who criticise SJWs, feminism, Islam and video game journalists, while still possessing liberal, classical liberal or libertarian beliefs. People like TJ Kirk, MundaneMatt, Jeff Holiday, Kraut and Tea and Chris Ray Gun. Feel free to ask me about them and why these people suck if you’re curious, but I’ll stay on point. To summarise, Blair did a lot of stupid things. And while he distanced himself from the community, he continued to do stupid things. Like call a person on Instagram names and make a video whinging about "what an asshole" he was because he made a comment calling Blair a liberal. Blair could have politely corrected him, but instead he decided to lash out at the commenter. Furthermore, I’ve seen videos where his (ex?-)boyfriend Joey appeared, and with every appearance he made it became more apparent that Joey was a closeted bisexual or closeted homosexual. Not ripping on Joey, but his girlfriend does have a willy. And it seemed to eat him up inside. All this put me off of watching Blair White, because I did not want to be watching videos about some drama several years down the line.

After that SkepticTM saga, I became completely indifferent to the T. I decided that I no longer cared about them, and that they were holding us back. I also went back to college, joined the LGBT club, and it was all about pronouns and gender neutral toilets. I stopped going to the club after one meeting, deciding that the T was becoming toxic. I wanted that T dropped. A year later, I heard the news that an actress was told that she was not allowed to play a trans man in a movie, and I learned that there was just no pleasing TRAs. Next, I learned about Desmond is Amazing, Save James and so on. Finally, Mister Metokur posted this video on BitChute. After seeing that video, that was it for me. I could no longer be indifferent towards the movement, let alone supportive of it. I came to oppose trans rights completely after seeing that video.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I really regret clicking on that link. Fuck that noise.

[–][deleted] 26 insightful - 3 fun26 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Hi, I'm new here. Fresh off of the supersexuality trend over on Reddit where I got my account permanently banned for calling a TRA a homophobe for trying to get the superlesbian subreddit banned.

So, anyway, how I ended up disagreeing with the T happened about 2 years ago during my last year in university. A trans woman had asked me out on a date and I had said no and I said it was because I had wanted to focus on university and not date anyone at the moment to try to avoid any drama. At this time the reasoning was accepted.

However, a few months later I met my girlfriend. We were not yet dating at the time, but it was clear to our friend group that we had feelings for each other. The trans woman became super possessive and jealous towards me constantly demanding my time and attention. I reasserted that I wasn't going to date anyone until after I graduated university and that I could not spend that much time with people because of studying. This didn't really work.

When I graduated the trans woman asked me out again almost immediately. At which point I said no, because I had feelings for someone who I wanted to ask out. This went over extremely poorly. I was called a TERF because I was choosing a woman over a trans woman and that the trans woman had apparently called dibs on me because he asked me out first. He then went to our shared friend group and told everyone there that I was a transphobic and since most of them were fairly involved in LGBT activist, even though most of them were straight, they immediately turned on me.

I tried to explain what happened but people refused to listen to me and just believed what the trans woman said. The trans woman proceed to send me a number of threats and even found out where I lived and nailed a threat to my door. I was able to file for and received a restraining order against him and I have not heard from him since.

Even after all this, my so-called friends still suck by him and refused to even listen to me and told me I had exaggerated the threats. Even though I had proof.

Then I looked around and saw that similar things were happening to lesbians everywhere. I realized that playing along with the trans activist was dangerous and that their movement was inherently homophobic and that it had no place being grouped together with sexualities.

For a long time I felt like I had no place to go in the world. The only other person who I felt was on my side was my girlfriend and that was because she had experienced every thing I had experienced with me.

Then suddenly, as if out of nowhere the straights got attacked and started fighting back. I am deeply saddened that the LGBT community refused to listen to lesbians for so long about these issues and that they allowed it to get so bad that they pissed off the straights. It feels a bit helpless to have to rely on straight people to fight back against what has happened to our own community.

The T does not belong with the LGB.

[–]reluctant_commenter 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hey, welcome! I am so, so sorry that happened to you; that is beyond unjust and that transwoman was completely overstepping your boundaries-- boundaries that any reasonable person would draw.

Hope you have been able to find some more supportive people in your life IRL! If you're ever interested by the way, sometimes people in this sub do posts ranting/venting about similar things that happened to them.

[–]CaptainMooseEx-Bathhouse Employee 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To add to my list of reasons from last time:

  • I'm sick of finding out that the spaces my generation carved out for LGB youth are now the same ones that alienate them to accommodate creepy straight girls going through a phase. I'm sick of how, when they inevitably detransition, they always cast themselves in the role of the victim for being tempted by "the gay" while failing to recognize the other kids in that space and their impact on them.

  • I'm sick of blocking every fifth person on a gay men's hook up app because they happen to be a biological woman. I'm sick of having to accommodate the feelings of mentally ill women who will blame gay men if she gets her feelings hurt while having zero self-awareness about how invasive, predatory, and violating her actions are. I'm sick of watching spaces gay men built for themselves, both in real life and online, even if they are imperfect, get gutted for "transmen."

  • I'm sick of every LGB space or resource needing to be T-inclusive or provide for every letter of the alphabet. Lesbians need their own spaces and services as do gay men as do bisexuals. Not everything we make should have the same "queer" slant. Sometimes we only want to expend our energy on our own demographics and that's okay.

[–]alheli 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

  1. because i am tired of how bisexuals, lesbian women, and gay men are now being called "transphobes" for not wanting to have romantic relationships or sexual interourse with transgender people. why expect a lesbian woman for not liking girldick, lesbians are generally not even into dicks???
  2. because the struggles of LGB people when it comes to their sexuality is not the same as T people when it comes to their identity. they are separate.

[–]censorshipment 16 insightful - 9 fun16 insightful - 8 fun17 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

I used to identify as a straight guy to reduce my stress as a lesbian when I should've fought for a better quality of life for myself and other lesbians instead of being a dysphoric coward. Dysphoria is self-hatred. I turned my dysphoria into "misandry" and feel so much better. So I want to drop the T because "trans people" are cowards, like I used to be, and the LGB community doesn't need any weak links.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm team "throw away the entire LGBT because it was a bad idea to begin with," personally.

Because I'm intersex and tired of being treated as subhuman "he-she" scum and/or an argument point to "prove" nonbinary.

Because I'm tired of being told I have "internalized homophobia" and can't think for myself because I don't agree with the liberal LGBT status quo.

Because "love is love" "ur fabulous" and other crappy LGBT activism doesn't help people in need, and things that would actually help people are deemed "homophobic" or "transphobic."

Because gay stereotypes and sexism are neither funny, brave, or entertaining, and actively harm people.

Because I don't believe there's anything "wrong" with me being intersex & extremely physically feminine, and both the G and T telling me I need to either take more testosterone to "be a real man" or telling me to "transition to female" can both fuck off.

Because I don't believe in black and white thinking, nor hiveminds such as "The LGBT community" the "LGB community" or "the gay community." Having a sexual orientation doesn't mean you think a certain way and are inherently unified with other people.

Because I do not fit in with anything LGBT+, never will, and don't want to.

Because I believe LGBT+ is harmful to kids and teenagers and is a bad influence, and may even be used for pedophilia at worst. At best it just teaches people unhealthy lifestyles.

Because I come from what is considered an "anti LGBT" country that's doing just fine in regards to sexuality, same goes for some other countries, because LGBT+ believe that not submitting to their every whim is "oppression."

Because I have actually gone through hardships in life for many reasons, and I'm not just an American west coast comfortable or rich attention seeker who thinks that being gay or trans is SOOOO HARD and makes your life harder than anyone else's, even if you live in a mansion and are a celebrity.

Because "LGBT rights" nearly always means privileges, and I refuse to accept being granted stupid bonuses for my sexuality that no one else gets.

Because LGBT "activism" is trying to purposefully take away my right, and the rights of others, to happiness and recovery.

Because LGBT+ won't stop fucking lying about my country, and other non-Western countries, to fuel their agenda. Because people believe every fucking little lie about Russia randomly picking gay men off the street and murdering them when there's no proof and it literally doesn't happen. Meanwhile Americans of many kinds get abused and it gets looked over- people just want to point fingers so they don't have to think about how awful their own country is.

Because "LGBT history" is worthless to young people and I don't give a fuck who did what at Stonewall; it doesn't affect my sexuality nor how I should feel now. I don't care how "old" trans is, that doesn't make it right, and I don't care if ancient Greek nobles were gay, that doesn't mean being homosexual is a blessing for me where I get to sit in a palace.

Because I truly believe LGBT is the most vile "movement" or fad for 50+ years and it needs to come to an end.

[–]Gender_Critical 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fuck anyone who co-opts someone with a legitimate, verifiable medical issue and uses it to further their own agenda.

Now I don’t have a dog in this race, but I’ve always kind of wondered if the I belonged in LGBT.

For what is worth, I’ve never seen anyone form the intersex community make death threats or try to bully others into finding them attractive, unlike TRAs.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Because the trans community is homophobic, heterophobic, sexist, and perpetuates and normalizes a rape culture that tells trans people that it's okay to deceive, shame, and guilt-trip people into having sex with them.

Being a minority, marginalized or not, does not give you a free pass to behave this way. Labelling yourself with a gender identity is not an entitlement to get into a lesbian's panties.

[–]ThismightMakeyoumad 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

as a gay and I've been sexually harassed or fetishized by ftms. All them read yaoi all of them, the books where either underage protagonist being groomed by older man or just being plain raped getting in to a home syndrome relationship of abuse and rape. These people have a sick fetishized of what homosexual sex is and it rape! I will say that there are some FTMs that not like this. But the one who are scary me

[–]Gender_Critical 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wonder if these people are truly FTM or are just doing so out of fetishizing gay men.

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm just do damn tired seeing gay and lesbian rights jeopardized by a movement that's undoing all the campaigning we've done. It feels like we've lost the right to advocate for ourselves, and that we must be perpetually be shackled to a community that doesn't share our goals, and isn't even grounded in objective reality.

[–]Shales123 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because I grew up in fundamentalist Judaism I noticed that transgender activists use the same cult tactics as extremist rabbis and holier-than-thou narcissists

[–]FlyingSparks 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I used to defent trans people for the longest time. Like, I would actually argue for them until I started looking deep into it and all hell came loose when I said perhaps we shouldn't be medicalizing 10 year olds. Then I started looking deeper. And it's basically a shit show. They will protect and give support to the shittiest people. I feel like I can't discuss gay issues without someone going "what about the trans"

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For me, there are basically two ways of answering this question:

First, the more immediate reason: how badly the T treat us. On innumerable occasions, in innumerable ways. It's their MO. And I don't see how it can be otherwise. The straight wannabes are obsessed with controlling us, so that we become puppets, enacting their bizarre narcissistic fantasies of gayness; the gay ones hate us for reminding them of who they really are. Both abuse us as a result. Well, I want a fuckin' restraining order on these abusers: dropping the T.

Second, the underlying reason: genderology. Because even if there are SOME non-abusive T individuals (and they do exist), the ideology shared by all transgenderists is anathema to us. It insists that "gender identity" erases biological sex. And therefore, since being LGB is by definition based on biological sex... they're insisting on erasing us. Whether or not they realize it. That's where this belief of theirs inevitably leads. And people who are dedicated to ANY form of wiping us out do NOT fucking belong in LGB.

[–]Rage-Xion 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When I was little, I sometime played with my sister's barbies. Now I shiver when I think that if I were raised by a crazy SJW I might have been framed as a transgirl and forced to take hormone blockers that would have made irreparable damage to my body.

[–]revelio 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

idk if this is gonna weaken the worldwide lbgt movement though. i saw L and G hating each other in a certain part of the world and that has kept both of them from getting what they want for quite a long time.

[–]Shales123 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's no LGBT movement. LGB and T are diametrically opposed. L and G have our disagreements but we at least have something in common to fight for

[–]jjdub7TERF (Trans Exterminating Reactionary Fascist) 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Because there's nothing more entertaining than watching a narcissist chimp out during divorce proceedings

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    I always liked the rainbow flag. It's a symbol of visibility for younger gays to see and feel less alone. Now it's been completely ruined and politicized by some fringe group.