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Scientific American quotes gender doctor Marci Bowers, "The penis is just a large clitoris. In fact, I don’t know why they don’t just call it a large clitoris.”

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[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Removing for rule 2. This would be better suited for s/GenderCritical, s/GenderCriticalGuys, or s/ThereAreTwoGenders

[–]BEB[S] 23 insightful - 8 fun23 insightful - 7 fun24 insightful - 8 fun -  (16 children)

Of course, they have to throw seahorses in there. Because mammals and seahorses are interchangeable. In fact, many kangaroos are impregnated by seahorses every year!

This is SCIENTIFIC fucking AMERICAN, not a Marvel comic book - proof that gender ideology is on a mission to destroy science.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Do seahorses do anything odd other than have the female give the father her eggs to carry? That's more like a mom leaving the kids with the father than anything that could possibly ever be used as "evidence" that males are interchangeable with females. Clownfish fit this BS narative more than anything I've ever heard about seahorses

[–]reluctant_commenter 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Off-topic, but I really love marine life and I'm delighted that this discussion has come up in this sub of all places. Lol

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Marine life can be both amazingly beautiful and terrifyingly demonic. Pretty much any large crab belongs either in the deepest pit of hell or served with butter. But reefs do showcase the more beautiful things that the sea has to offer. Unfortunately we're so distracted by pandas not having sex that we're letting entire ecosystems go by the wayside. I hope one day to legitimately build an artificial reef far from human influence to act as a safehaven for these amazing species. We'll just need an arc to collect a bunch of every reef dweller to start it.

[–]reluctant_commenter 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Pretty much any large crab belongs either in the deepest pit of hell or served with butter.

What a hilarious quote, hahaha. I like it.

I totally agree. So much attention given to very specific land animals. That sounds like a super cool idea, about the reef!!

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 9 insightful - 7 fun9 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Since humans can't seem to be trusted with them, I'll make my own reef, without blackjack or hookers so no humans come to screw it up!

[–]davids877Straight Male Man 11 insightful - 7 fun11 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

I just like using the 'seahorse' is to 'horse' as 'transwoman' is to 'woman' analogy. Which is to say there's no analogy there at all.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 6 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 7 fun -  (3 children)

Clownfish fit this BS narative more than anything I've ever heard about seahorses

Well, while these trans-fanatics aren't actual clownfish, they sure have the "clown" part down, anyway...

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

A youtube channel (I think minute earth?) proved that humans are more closely related to fish than sharks, sort of proving that we are "fish" if you define fish in a kinda incorrect way. So, from a certain point of view, they're also fish. Now they just need to find a way to go from clown fish to clownfish so they can finally prove that they're actually a different sex than their "assigned" one

[–]supersmokio6420 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Its based on using cladistic definitions. All tetrapods (mammals, reptiles, ampibians) are members of the Sarcopterygii clade, 'lobe finned fish'.

Lobe finned fish are all members of Ostiechthyes, 'bony fish', a group which includes most types of fish.

Sharks however are members of Chondrichthyes, 'cartilaginous fish'.

Both the bony and cartilaginous fish are members of Gnathostomata, 'jawed vertebrates'.

With a group like mammals, there's a last common ancestor where you can say that everything descended from it is a mammal. But with fish, there's no last common ancestor that would include everything we think of as a 'fish' without also including all tetrapods.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's all because fish split into bony and cartilaginous subgroups first, then the bony fish had a branch where some of them gained lungs and became every land vertabrate. So since fish was sort of the "default," we have this unusual situation where there is no evolutionary branch that contains every modern fish and nothing else, unless we want to redefine cartilaginous animals

[–]diapason 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

They really think they're actually like Mr. Baldwin from Fish Hooks lol

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Except they forget that fish don't have live birth in most cases, and the fact that a male carries (pre-fertilized) eggs proves literally nothing other than that fathers are important in a nonzero number of animal species out there.

[–]blahblahgcer 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Lol, this is probably the first time I've seen confirmation that that show wasn't actually a fever dream

[–]diapason 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It really felt like one TBH hahaha

[–]kwallio 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are super weird fish in other ways, they swim using their back fin which is not the way literally every other type of fish moves.

[–]BEB[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you have the internal fortitude, read the actual Scientific American article itself (it's linked at the tweet). It goes into all sorts of craziness to make the case that the penis is a social construct, or something. Actually, you'll probably laugh out loud more than once, so it's worth the read.

[–]MyLongestJourney 25 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Seriously,f*ck post modernism.

[–]diapason 17 insightful - 7 fun17 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Can you have multiple orgasms with no refractory period from a penis? No? Then it's not a clitoris.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 16 insightful - 8 fun16 insightful - 7 fun17 insightful - 8 fun -  (2 children)

Even a small child can tell the difference between a pee-pee and a hoo-hoo, but a "gender doctor" can't. Fantastic.

[–]davids877Straight Male Man 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I'm reminded of Kindergarten Cop.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

I found the clip!

https://youtu.be/k96h1dYQrj0?t=153

[–]davids877Straight Male Man 16 insightful - 5 fun16 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Ok, if the penis is a large clitoris, why is there a male to female surgeon? Ignoring the fact that male to female is impossible to begin with, it sounds like male and female are the same.

I have a headache now and I don't think it's the paint fumes.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 10 insightful - 7 fun10 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Hope ya tell your "transmen" patients this, Marci! "Oh, men don't have penises, silly! They have LARGE CLITORISES! That's what I'll be creating for you, Aiden-- just a big ol' clit! Wait, where are you going...?"

Also: wouldn't this mean that, if a clitoris qualifies as "large", it automatically has the capacity to urinate, ejaculate, and impregnate? So all women have to do is bombard themselves with enough 'roids, and hey! presto! But then why aren't all those Aidans who pine for a dick of their own availing themselves of this wonder?

I look forward to Scientific American henceforth discontinuing all use of the word "penis" in favor of "large clitoris" with lively anticipation.

[–]upcomingDaddygay af 9 insightful - 7 fun9 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

gender doctor

lmao

[–]chazzstrong 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You know, what bothers me the most, no fucking joke, is that this doesn't even surprise me.
Years ago I would have been outraged and shocked, I might have laughed in disbelief or probably assumed it hyperbole...but these days, it's expected. I read this and went 'yeah, that's about right'... and the more I think about it, the more that bothers me. An article in a widely circulated, very respected scientific journal saying penises are basically enlarged clitorises doesn't shock me. I'm more shocked that I'm not shocked.

I just...I don't even know where to go from here.

[–]SnowAssMan 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Phallus is the umbrella term.

[–]Seahorse 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Dunno if anyone has said it yet but I'm pretty sure this is the butcher that did Jazz "I am Jazz" Jenning's surgery?

If you don't know who Jazz is, he is probably the highest profiled trans kid. Was on puberty blockers from very young.

And, well, apparently the CoMpLeTeLy ReVeRsAbLE puberty blockers did their job and 18 yo Jazz had anatomy of a small child (as you'd expect with puberty blockers). So Jazz had to have multiple surgeries taking skin from the thighs because there wasn't enough genital tissue.

Jazz has absolutely no interest in having sex, totally norms!

[–]BEB[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think the doctors took the skin from his thighs, I think the skin was from somewhere much more dangerous.

OK - I looked it up: Marci Bowers was one of Jazz's doctors and they used tissue from his stomach lining. Poor kid.

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a30631270/jazz-jennings-surgery-complications/

[–]JulienMayfair 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To add one more layer to this, Marci Bowers is transgender herself, so, of course, there is no bias.

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