William Shatner, the newest hated enemy of the LGBTIQQAA Scrabbleboaders.

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[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The actor who played Sulu hit the nail on the head. It was the 60s, it was too early. The fact Kirk was attracted to more than one race was a bit ahead of its time, anything to do with homosexuality or bisexuality would've been shot down immediately by viewers and Star Trek would've failed

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Unless a creator confirms that a character he or she has created is gay or bisexual, then I don’t consider said character to be gay or bisexual. Also, the confirmation has to be genuine; if the creator is just pandering or is caving to woke pressure, then I’m not going to be convinced.

Good for William Shatner.

[–]marmorsymphata 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's just a matter of statistics. I'm not gonna sit here and yell at someone for not assuming a health-aware character has OCD and claim they're ableist and, idk, neurotypical-normative, and I'm not gonna sit here and claim a dude with male friends is gay and yell at someone for being homophobic and heteronormative if they don't, because both things just aren't statistically likely. It's not hate, it's being logical...

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. Homosexuals are 1-3% of the population. Bisexuals maybe another 2-4%. Take 100 men at random, and it would be rare if there were more than 3 homosexual men and more than 4 bisexual men. Unless you’re in an area that caters to or appeals to gay and bisexual men, like a gay bar. But in a general setting, 90% of people will be straight. That’s why you’re assumed to be straight unless you declare or show otherwise.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

does kirk really need to be bi for you to feel complete?

[–]justagaydude123 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Shatner is seriously too old to be dealing with this shit.

[–]insta 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He needs to film those Priceline commericals.

[–]marmorsymphata 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Facts are not uncompassionate jfc. What's wrong with saying "Luke's not gay, but I support you and think you deserve love and compassion. You might be interested in X, Y, and Z gay media..."

Maybe it's because I'm a straight woman but I can't see where tf a gay reading or even coming out parallel would come out of Luke Skywalker.

It's so wrong that people are running around being delusional and then using it to pressure creators like this. Most are just fujoshis that are pretending to be bi to squeeze out the ship they want, but regardless... Imagine if as a young kid with OCD I put a popular actor in a position where they had to say "yes" to a completely left field nonsense interpretation or be branded someone that hates disabled children? I mean wtf

[–]reluctant_commenter 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

LGBTIQAA Scrabbleboarders, that's a new one lol.

[–]Rosefield 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Every fictional character has to be lgbtqxyz. It's crazy.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Headcannon fandoms > reality

This is part of the reason they hate j k rowling so much. They have some weird need to blend fiction they like with reality.

[–]hetisachoice 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's like their lives are so empty they need to project their hopes, dreams, and fears onto the media they consume.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Look, I've wanted more gay, lesbian, and (especially) bisexual characters for a long time... but I also want them to be CREATED as such, so that this is a basic, fully-integrated part of who they are. They should be LGB people in their own right, not just a straight character with the serial number filed off. I mean, how insulting is THAT? We're not enough in ourselves, we can only be represented through heterosexuals? With that as cover, or something? Fuck outta here.

Sure, do the Lando Calrissian/Ellen Ripley thing, too (where you make the role LGB just cuz why not?), but please: give us our OWN characters! Not just hand-me-down ones! Like Captain Kirk! Leave him (and William Shatner) alone; let them be themselves... and let us be ourselves. FINALLY.

[–]insta 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Have you watched netflix originals lately? "The Haunting" has such a forced lesbian relationship it's so fucking awkward.

I'm resenting so much "representation" because it's really starting to just feel like box checking more than anything. As I watch these shows I can just see them being shackled by their creators own ideology.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I haven't, but can well imagine... because even when our invisibility ends, the cluelessness about us all too often remains! Unfortunately.

Yeah, even though bisexual representation being roughly zero weighs quite heavily on me, I can't help but wonder if it's something of a blessing in certain ways; at least we don't often have to deal with such awkward, painfully-obligatory, or otherwise cringetastic portrayals.

Do you know who (writer/creator) was behind this plot line on "The Haunting"? I'm guessing that they aren't lesbian themselves; maybe what's needed is for more of us to tell our own stories, rather than always having to entrust them to other people.

[–]insta 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't really buy into the "you have to be lesbian to write a story about lesbians". I think these people are just untalented and more importantly corrupted by ideology. Netflix obviously has this diversity quota (or at the minimum a huge bias) which must be met which is just spitting in the face of artists.

I didn't like Game of Thrones because it had strong & powerful female leads and POC. I liked it because it was a compelling story.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't really buy into the "you have to be lesbian to write a story about lesbians".

Oh, I don't, either-- in fact the "how DARE anyone write about a group unless they belong to it!!!" thing annoys me no end. (I'm a writer myself; what, I'm only supposed to write about WRITERS now? Who are Irish/German bi American women with glasses? Yeah-- THAT sounds oh so interesting! Talk about diversity...)

Rather, I meant that, in addition to other people depicting us, we ALSO need to depict ourselves, you know? Characters shouldn't ONLY be written "from the inside"-- we need to be free to portray straight ones, too, after all!-- but by the same token, they shouldn't only be written from the "outside", either.

And honestly? I suspect that, in many cases, you're less apt to play it safe with your "own". Excesses of political correctness can stem from feeling deferential and even guilty... "who am I to show this marginalized group in a negative light? Better make 'em beyond criticism-- a sexual-orientation Mary Sue!" Whereas we don't have to "prove" our credentials, or that we "get it". And therefore may be able to concentrate more on creating actual LGB characters than PR images. (The latter, however well-meant, invariably bore the shit outta me; give me complex, intriguingly-flawed PERSONALITIES over role-models any day!)

[–]Seahorse 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I really REALLY hate this sort of history revisionism.

They've already done it with Freddie Mercury and I've even seen it with George Michael.

At least Shatner cause tweet and go, no stop trying to make fan fiction a reality.