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[–]censorshipment 8 insightful - 14 fun8 insightful - 13 fun9 insightful - 14 fun -  (8 children)

I say this as a lesbian radfem: it's not okay to be a man in general. That's why there's a horde of men not identifying as men. I partially blame older feminists - I partially blame conservatives and liberals who each think some men are "lesser men" - I partially blame drug companies pushing mind-altering meds to men/boys.

Life for men was better before the 70s, but it was worse for women.

[–]CuntWorshiperWomenholic full time | vagina fetishist part-time 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I partially blame older feminists.

Nah! Still their own fault though. The drug companies are owned by who? Politics (especially in the past) are dominated by who? If feminism needs to exist, who is to blame?

I already heard this “partially feminists fault” and don’t buy that.

Life for men was better before the 70s, but it was worse for women.

It was a lot worse for women before than is for men now. Not even comparable.

Despite the fact that I can’t stand the “straight white cis men” that the wokies throw at every opportunity they have anymore let’s not act like men a such victims “can’t be men anymore boohoo” please. I would argue that they are just being treated with the same hostility they have always treated anyone who wasn’t a het men but being honest they’re not, especially if you going to compare how feminists treat/treated men vs how men treat/treated women.

You may be listening to Camille PagliAss kisser too much, be careful.

[–]mvmlego 3 insightful - 8 fun3 insightful - 7 fun4 insightful - 8 fun -  (6 children)

The drug companies are owned by who? Politics (especially in the past) are dominated by who? If feminism needs to exist, who is to blame?

Even if the answer to both of those first two questions is a simple "men", the answer to the third question is considerably more complicated. The fact that feminism was necessary doesn't preclude the feminist movement from incorporating excesses, which can and should be critiqued.

All activist movements have their excesses--even the ones that I'm personally very fond of--because most activists aren't looking to analyze the issue in a balanced way; they're looking to steer others toward certain conclusions by shoring them up with whatever they can find, even to the point of incorporating a plethora of irrelevant or incorrect talking points as long as they provide rhetorical support for the activist's conclusions.

I think some decent examples of this from the feminist movement are the highly publicized figures about on-campus rape and the gender wage gap that circulated extensively around 2015 to 2017, which had the effect of unfairly placing blame on men, in the sense that those problems were blown out of proportion.

If you're skeptical about feminism's excesses, then I'd encourage you to ask u/nbailey73 what he found so alienating about the Language, Gender, and Power class. It's possible that he was completely overreacting, but I don't think that's the case.

[–]nbailey73[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Seeing in that they brought up the topic of baby penises, intersex genitalia, and anti-men debate up on the first day of class, I definitely don't think I'm overreacting when I say the class made me feel extremely uncomfortable. I'm glad I dropped it for a gardening class. At the end of the day, growing food will be a better skill than learning about baby genitals and intersex theory.

[–]ColoredTwice 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There no such thing as intersex theory. They are just misrepresenting us and lying about our conditions, and acting against what intersex organisations are asking to do...but we don't have such support and finances and coverage as trans lobby, so we are just ignored and used as cannon fodder and "gotcha" by gender identity ideologists.

[–]mvmlego 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks for the confirmation. Also, if you don't mind sharing, what exactly was the subject of the debate that occurred on your first day of class?

[–]nbailey73[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Basically, on the first day of class we began talking about intersex terms and how there are 5 sexes that are determined by looking at baby genitalia (these sexes being male and female and then the three types of intersex configurations). After that we then began to talk about research bias and how scientific research isn’t to be trusted because it is “funded primarily by straight wealthy white men with conservative political agenda.” This then caused a stir in the class that caused all the SJWs to start lashing out on all the cis males in the class, myself included. I then dropped the class after I kept being told I was privileged by classmates when I simply said that not all white men who research are doing it for conservative reasons. The class was WAY too woke for me and I’m very glad to be out of it. On my last day of class, I mentioned that men have several struggles as well, such as genital mutilation from birth, higher suicide rates, and other men’s issues. These obviously were dismissed.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Basically, on the first day of class we began talking about intersex terms and how there are 5 sexes that are determined by looking at baby genitalia

Uh, whoa. That is a blatant lie. (Also that's goddamn weird.) In case you haven't heard it in your classes, as a sanity check:

  • There are 2 types of gametes that human reproduction is based on (sperm and ova).

  • Correspondingly, there are 2 sexes.

The fact that you were fed this pseudoscientific lie in a college class is actually insane. I am so sorry you're having to deal with this bullshit. Hope the gardening class goes much better!

This then caused a stir in the class that caused all the SJWs to start lashing out on all the cis males in the class, myself included.

What in the?! That's nuts. Yeah, I'm really glad you dropped that class.

As another example of men getting the short stick-- being a gay male is illegal in about 90 countries and being a gay female is illegal in around 45. And gay men, far and away, have the highest rate of being targeted for anti-homophobic hate crimes in the alphabet soup.

[–]mvmlego 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for the details. That's feminist epistemology for ya'. Best of luck to you with your college career in the future.