Transing ChildrenNew study: Puberty blockers lead to stunted height, impaired bone density (but give them to gay kids anyway!)

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[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 34 insightful - 5 fun34 insightful - 4 fun35 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

No shit!

Puberty is a stage of growth and development, you can't just put it on pause without consequence. The body will grow one way or another, and if it is denied a proper puberty, then a late puberty will not magically fix all the damage done.

You don't need to be a doctor or biologist to understand that the entire concept of puberty blockers is a bad idea, you just need to not be blinded by a cult

[–]julesburm1891 24 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Hormones have real and permanent effects on developing bodies other than sex-based characteristics? Wow! Who would’ve thought?

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 24 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

I feel sorry for this generation of gnc adolescents. So many fools telling them that they were born wrong and need to be fixed or long-term medicated to suppress their socially 'unwanted' side. As if this stage in life can be confusing and depressing enough with all the natural changes that occur. And then you have intelligent people who should know better going along with the charade due to the peer pressure and 'Emperor's New Clothes' collective denial effect. Disappointing and dangerous situation all around.

[–]hetisachoice 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

There needs to be massive criminal punishment for this on a scale the world has never seen before, one that would make the Nuremberg Trials look like a traffic court hearing.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

That is very extreme! Also wtf is up with your username, "hetisachoice"? I hope that's a joke

[–]mvmlego 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

Don't expect a sane answer from him regarding his username, or pretty much anything else for that matter.

https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/79hi/boys_twice_as_likely_as_girls_to_be_bullied_about/rgw4

https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/77io/biden_picks_dr_rachel_levine_transgender_woman_as/rb9c?context=3

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Dayuuum...that is an interesting read.

Unrelated q: what exactly do we do w/ karma? Can we buy things w/ it?

[–]mvmlego 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

On Saidit, I'm pretty sure that the Karma system has no inherent uses. It's an indicator of seniority and popularity, and it provides a cheap psychological incentive for users to participate in productive ways. Those are still pretty insignificant teleologies, though, so I think the primary reason that the system was implemented on Saidit was to make the website feel as similar to Reddit as possible.

On Reddit, it used to serve a more concrete purpose. Certain actions were restricted to users above a certain Karma threshold--and the potential to be restricted was actually pretty significant, since there's a downvote option that allows users to take a net loss on Karma from bad posts and comments (or ones that were perceived as bad, anyhow). (Sorry if this paragraph felt patronizing. IDK whether you were a Reddit user before joining Saidit.)

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the information, and don't worry it didn't read patronizing at all. I was on Reddit for a short time, 2 years ago and didn't know wtf karma was or what it did back then either, LOL.

[–]hetisachoice 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Letting this go unpunished would be a massive miscarriage of justice. I cannot forgive the harm done to my own people by people I thought were allies.

"hetisachoice"? I hope that's a joke

Let me put it this way: heterosexuals are the ones constantly flaunting their lifestyle while accusing gays of doing the same by merely mentioning a same-sex date or spouse. They are literally trying to force people to be heterosexual and using violent acts such as rape and even murder to achieve that end. Heterosexuals are the ones insisting on inserting themselves into everything. And after years of taking everything from our jobs to our lovers to our lives, heterosexuals are even trying to steal homosexuality itself from us. Everything they accuse us gays of is something of which they are guilty and not us. They will grasp at any straw to justify being "anything but gay."

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Letting this go unpunished would be a massive miscarriage of justice. I cannot forgive the harm done to my own people by people I thought were allies.

I'm with you on that. Justice needs to be done for the kids and teens who will grow up and realize they were lied to, manipulated, and harmed by transactivism, and the places like the Tavistock, which seem to be completely ideologically captured.

I think saying it will be bigger than Nuremburg Trials is blowing it out of proportion. The latter punished people who planned and orchestrated genocide on a mass scale, that killed 9 million people, 6 million of whom were Jews, and 3 million were homosexuals, Gypsies, Slavic peoples, and disabled people. Saying it will be "bigger than Nuremburg" is frankly ridiculous, and makes us look like extremists.

Here is how I think it will actually happen: From Keira Bell's case, to 10 or 20, 30 years down the line, there will be adults speaking out and demanding justice for having been transed in their childhood, and reporting the health ramifications of childhood transition. Some will be motivated by these health problems, realizing the doctors didn't know the outcomes years down the line. Others will be motivated by realizing they weren't trans, but gnc homosexuals and bisexuals, and being able to critically analyze how they were treated at places like Tavistock when they were young. Others will be motivated by reproductive health problems that no one told them about. Hindsight is always 20/20. Over the next 30 years there will likely be a series of class-action lawsuits, support systems set up for detransitioners, and activism on that front.

That's what I'm personally projecting: a series of separate class action suits, which form a movement of people to reverse and bring to light the damage being done currently.

Ps. I understand better your reasons for "hetisachoice". Sorry for grilling you on it. I thought you were a radfem into political lesbianism. B/c I'm a radfem totally against that concept, and have gotten some shit for that from other radfems.

[–]hetisachoice 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

30 years? We need it right now. We cannot wait and leave another generation of LGB youth at their mercy. And they need to be capital crimes. There is no punishment too severe for crimes against homosexuality of this magnitude.

Saying it will be "bigger than Nuremburg" is frankly ridiculous, and makes us look like extremists.

I am offended by being called an "extremist." Is this "extremism" when the end game is a world where homosexuality is illegal nowhere. We need to send the message that GAY LIVES MATTER and that gay lives matter enough to use capital punishment against those who threaten us. The left wants hate speech laws, the right wants the death penalty, I say give them both what they asked for.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"I'm offended that you're offended that she's offended". Frankly my dear I don't give a damn if you're offended. Comparing it to Nuremburg and calling for capital punishment, or vigilante justice, or whatever you're demanding right now, is extremist by anyone's definition.

Please re-read what I wrote. I didn't say we have to wait thirty years: I said it's happening now, like the Keira Bell case, and the legal cases and social awareness of the issue is going to keep growing within the next thirty years. Maybe longer. Even if child transition is banned today, many of the health problems are still not going to be known for possibly decades. That is horrible to hear, but it's not something we can control. I pray that none of those people have health problems at all!

The people causing the damage are being brought to justice through the legal avenue, and they are going to spend a long time in jail. I hope they are in jail for life, b/c I don't believe in the death penalty.

[–]hetisachoice 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Extremist" is just a buzzword used to dismiss and discredit ideas that shallow thinkers and bootlickers of the oligarchy refuse to take any effort to try and understand.

All crimes against homosexuality are capital crimes, especially crimes of this magnitude. I believed this when Matthew Shepard was murdered for being gay, and I am even more adamant now that his murderers should have been executed at the moment of sentencing. No one has ever made a convincing case why the lives of anti-gay hate criminals matter. They don't. That's one reason why "-ll l-v-s m-tt-r" is not just racist but sexist, homophobic, and antisemitic as well. Do the lives of racists matter? Do the lives of sexists matter? Do the lives of antisemites matter? If you answered yes to any of those questions, then you are those things, too.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hmm, I like your style.

[–]hetisachoice 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. It's nice to get something other than the blame for reacting to people being prejudiced against me for a change. Even so, we can't let crimes against LGB people on this scale over such a long period of time go unpunished.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The authors said that more research was needed to determine whether the impairment was permanent.

Human medical testing on children.

Until recently puberty blockers were billed as a “fully reversible” treatment that paused the physical transformation of puberty, but the NHS has since updated its guidance to say the long-term impact on brains and bones is unknown.

This statement is such absolute bullshit. It's technically true because TRAs have been blatantly lying about the effects for years... Yet the data have existed all this time.

The statement is intentionally misleading to imply that everyone thought it was safe till now.

[–]censorshipment 6 insightful - 8 fun6 insightful - 7 fun7 insightful - 8 fun -  (14 children)

Eh, I once got banned from the GC sub for saying children in general shouldn't be given drugs with awful side effects. I was told to make a sub about that because I didn't just care about this specific experiment. Smh part of me is glad that sub was banned... the mods were very dirty behind the scenes (which we discussed on the gc_woc sub which was banned after the first wave).

I studied a little bit of endocrinology and read about precocious puberty which puberty inhibitors were initially used for. Lots of children have been test subjects... I don't understand why there is so much more outrage for this than other unethical experiments. Maybe because it's so public, maybe because it's affecting more children, but whether it's 50 children or 5 million children... it's wrong to experiment on children for any purpose.

I think if people were against giving any child a drug with awful side effects, instead of this one specific thing, more people would get it.

[–]reluctant_commenter 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Lots of children have been test subjects... I don't understand why there is so much more outrage for this than other unethical experiments.

We focus on these drugs in this sub because LGB and gender-nonconforming kids are disporportionately targeted using these drugs, and these drugs are used to push a new form of conversion therapy.

I do agree that it's deeply messed up to experiment on children more generally speaking, and I am actually hoping that after puberty blockers undergo greater scrutiny, people will apply similar scrutiny to other off-label drugs given to kids that might be harming them.

[–]censorshipment 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

Bullshit. You focus on it because it fits your agenda. I was a gnc gay girl and could've been a test subject like Buck Angel... yet I don't focus on this one issue as much as GCers do because I see the bigger picture. Drugs have always harmed children.

[–]reluctant_commenter 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Bullshit. You focus on it because it fits your agenda.

"My agenda." Do you claim to be able to read minds?

I was a gnc gay girl and could've been a test subject like Buck Angel...

Same here, that's why I care so much about child transing.

yet I don't focus on this one issue as much as GCers do because I see the bigger picture.

We are not all GCers, though there are some on this sub. I myself am not. And I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people on this sub are suspicious of other types of psychiatry-related drugs given to kids as well.

[–]censorshipment 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

Thought this was GC, these same topics in different subs get confusing.

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gotcha, no worries.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why is it wrong to focus on one issue that affects people like us? If everyone focused on everything, everywhere, all the time, nothing would ever get done

[–]censorshipment 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Because it looks like you're targeting miserable children... LGB adults saying LGB children should go through puberty (which is generally awful for girls) instead of blocking puberty to have the bodies they desire.

Every generation has medically exploited children... prozac kids, zoloft kids, now puberty blocker/HRT kids. Not to mention the birth control women/teen girls take and get sick from. All of this is connected.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because it looks like you're targeting miserable children... LGB adults saying LGB children should go through puberty (which is generally awful for girls) instead of blocking puberty to have the bodies they desire.

First of all: we are not targeting miserable children, the drug companies, homophobes, and TRAs are! We are pushing back against that.

Second of all: prozac and zoloft don't even begin to approach the level of danger of Lupron and other "puberty blocking" drugs. Lupron literally rots your bones in your body. Kids shouldn't be given antidepressants, sure, but those aren't as dangerous, and are not given as a form of gay conversion therapy.

Third: Everyone on Earth goes through puberty, and yeah most girls hate it. A lot of us go through dysphoria or body dysmorphia of different levels. We also get over it. It's a normal part of growing up, and you're catastrophizing a universal, essential part of physically transitioning from childhood to adolescence to adulthood.

Finally: Nobody on Earth has "the bodies they desire". Everyone and I mean EVERYONE has issues with their own bodies. Even supermodels, even weightlifters, moviestars, people considered gorgeous. Nobody is satisfied with their appearance. Plastic surgery and transition takes advantage of some people who feel this, and convince them they will one day be satisfied if they have the next surgery, or next great drug. They will never "have the bodies they desire" b/c those drugs and surgeries are flawed and bring on a host of new issues. There will never be an endpoint where you fully have the body you desire, b/c it's a lie!

[–]RippoffOfLoveSStraight | Overuses quotation marks 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

God forbid an online forum have a universal topic of discussion. I don't see how it should get a pass just because it's part of a larger problem.

[–]AdultMaleHomosexual 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

This whataboutism is really gross, and I find it disturbing that it got so many upvotes.

[–]censorshipment 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Children in general are experiencing side effects from drugs. Why only target these kids? This is why you all look like bigots. You want to stop one group of kids from getting medical "relief" while other kids are suffering. Don't all kids matter? Lol

https://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/childhood-adhd/news/20070720/adhd-drug-does-stunt-growth#1

ADHD Drug Does Stunt Growth: After 3 Years on Ritalin, Kids Are Shorter, Lighter Than Peers

Welp, that explains why the incel community increased... why so many young men whine about being short. Lol

[–]PassionateIntensity 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because this is a gay sub and these kids are being unnecessarily drugged because they're gay! Are you lost? Like I don't even disagree about all the psych drugs given to adolescents but that's not the topic of this sub. edit: Yeah we're the bigots because we want to stop gay eugenics. Fuck you.

[–]censorshipment 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

I get that part, but people are going to think you're bigots for not wanting these kids to get "treatments" that are used for other kids for other issues. Smh you all act like this isn't obvious. If I'd known about puberty blockers as a kid, I'd think you all hated me for not wanting me to be a happy teen without periods nor tits.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

These drugs aren't used for "other kids for other issues"! They are used as last-resort cancer drugs, that are known to have horrific side effects! They were used experimentally to "treat" precocious puberty and endometriosis, and the doctors were sued class-act b/c of the horrific side effects. Lupron is a notoriously harsh drug, and TRAs are blatantly lying that they are safe and reversible! Fuck anyone who calls us "bigots" for being against this!

[–]PassionateIntensity 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I want all these fuckers to pay for the horrors they've unleashed on a generation of gay kids, but I know they won't.

[–]hetisachoice 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a fucking war crime. I wish we could do to them what Israel did to Adolf Eichmann.

[–]insomniahurts 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i remember reading a news article about this years ago. A teenaged girl was given puberty blockers in UK I think. The way she described her body changing due to the meds they gave her was harrowing and it was pretty much every single side effect mentioned in this article. And the most horrifying thing is, I think it was said that it was irreversible? The article also mentioned something that was essentially brain damage.