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[–]8bitgay 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree with a lot of what you say.

Like I said though, we can't pretend we don't know what they do either. I've seen another comment on this sub today saying something like "we just said transwomen aren't women and got banned"... Is anyone really surprised by that? We might not agree with them, but this is one of their most offensive things in their handbook, one of the quickest ways to get banned from almost any community or social platform nowadays.

This is the kind of the thing that makes them shut us down in seconds. Sorry, but no one that agrees with them even slightly is gonna bother reading your argument after you say "transwomen aren't women". And as long as we can't bring people to our side the situation will never change.

So frankly we need to do things different, to be smarter with how we present our views, how we try to argument. Maybe we'll also get banned for making sensible comments about how we're being harassed by people who can't accept the individual right to consent. Maybe we'll get banned for showing people the countless instances of TQ+ activists threatening and harassing LGB people. But I'm sure to outside viewers this type of argument will create much more good will than people who get banned for saying trans men aren't real men.

[–]Taln_Reich 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yes, of course this will have to be approached smart. The TRA are the new religious right in telling people who they can love or not. And if you outright tell them that their dogma is false, of course they will come after you. Sure, you can attempt to actually show people the TRA's poor behaviour, but that won't be let standing. Also, it probably would be a good idea to suggest to people, who's sub is under TRA-attack to consider switching over to equivalents on saidit. Reddit is a commercial enterprise, if they start loosing customers because of their unquestioned support for the TRA, they will reconsider. Money beats ideology every time.