Michael Che of 'SNL' accused of transphobia over Biden's military executive order joke.

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[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 34 insightful - 11 fun34 insightful - 10 fun35 insightful - 11 fun -  (4 children)

The Twaddle responses are so contradictory and childish it would be laughable if it weren't so fucking pathetic.

i'm so tired of our bodies literally being a joke to them

Stop acting like a fucking clown then.

i also hate that enough cis ppl have learned abt tucking that it can be an snl joke

Drag Race, love. It's been having quite the cultural moment.

I'm tired of our genitalia & our existence being discussed, obsessed about & laughed at.

Please, you can't stand when your existence isn't being discussed. You're not happy if you're not the centre of literally every discussion. Black Lives may Matter, but Black TWANS Lives Matter too! Don't forget about Traaaans. Away to fuck.

I really hope @nbcsnl, Michael Che, and Colin Jost do better. Targeting Trans folks, especially after a great week of news, isn’t okay. The cis het bro energy has me on guard every episode. I miss the power femme energy of Tina & Amy who told jokes w/o resorting to tired tropes.

But rather than just not engaging with something that I know might upset me and make me FeEl uNsAfE I'm going to continue to do so in order to force them to change. We don't believe in simple non-engagement, we have to take our Twaddle behaviour to the real world and make sure that nobody else can see this bilious vitriol either!

Didn't watch SNL tonight but wasn't surprised at all to learn that Michael Che used the lifting of the transgender military ban to be his usual transphobic self. His transphobia is not funny and he needs to ask himself why he wants to be in the same category as JKR. #SNL

Keep your fucking dumbass opinions to yourself then, if you didn't watch it. You didn't read anything JK Rowling wrote either, prick.

Just fuck off with your precious bullshit. Fuck all the way off. I'm so tired of these people.

[–]deliciousdogfoodmy name isnt a puppyplay reference i swear 23 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

he needs to ask himself why he wants to be in the same category as JKR.

Who wouldn't want to be in the genius visionary writer/beloved role model category.

or the obscenely rich category

[–]Femaleisnthateful 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

His transphobia is not funny and he needs to ask himself why he wants to be in the same category as JKR

Yeah, something tells me Michael Che isn't going to get a lot of rape threats.

[–]BEB 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The gender spe-shals Reign of Terror is going to be GAME OVER once "cis het bros" like Che fully wake up to the tyranny of gender ideology. Can't be too soon...

[–]sleepless-dreamer 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The first time I heard about tucking was Silence of the Lambs, lol.

[–]fuck_reddit 17 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

Well, the critics are right in one regard: SNL isn’t funnt.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I find late night shows like SNL unfunny. I dunno, maybe my sense of humour is unusual, but my humour is based on self-deprecation, black comedy, offensive comedy, inconvenient truths, shock or slapstick. None of these things would fly on programmes like SNL.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The point of comedy, in its purest form, is to make fun of something/someone or for something/someone to be hurt in the process of the joke. If if doesn't contain one of these elements, the joke won't be funny. Now, you've still got wordplay jokes and that sort of thing, but it seems TRAs can't take any kind of joke directed at them, even though there are plenty of other jokes about other protected classes, not just them.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I read something similar recently! Something about the philosophy of comedy nd it’s historical origins always boils down to someone being the butt of the joke. It might have been here on Saiddit but I can’t recall now.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a subject that I've been fascinated with for a while now; was just discussing it over on Discord. What IS comedy/humor, in fact? How would you explain it to an extraterrestrial? Such a basic thing, seemingly-- probably the most popular, and in many ways safest, of genres... yet also utterly mysterious. (And I'd argue that our quintessential response, laughter, is just as odd. Other animals-- as indicated by the standard online phrase "made me laugh so hard I scared the dog/cat"-- certainly seem to think so.)

Here's my best shot at defining humor: it's a subversion of expectations, where any potential threat (as from surprise) is diffused at the last minute. So we're caught off-balance, then reassured. We thought that we knew where it was going, but we were deliberately misled... and that's OK. Often, the "OK" comes from a sense of general non-seriousness (even if the subject is inherently serious); this promotes a feeling of control, that WE are in a position to ridicule this thing, and derive pleasure from it thereby.

Maybe THAT'S what's meant by someone/something being the "butt of the joke"? That sense of power, control? Though I'd say it's not so much over a person, or even a thing, as... reality. Life. Existence. We manipulate it with humor; we impose our POV on it... we laugh at it.

So when humor fails, I posit that it's a matter of either the subversion or the diffusion failing (or both). In the first case, the audience doesn't share the comedian's expectation, so subverting it leads to "... I don't get it." In the second case, the threat isn't diffused, which leads to, "hey-- THAT'S not funny, asshole!!!"

Andy Kaufman's (rather philosophical) approach illustrates these points: he subverted the expectations of comedy ITSELF, and (for good measure) only diffused the threat in the sense that nothing serious was actually threatened (besides the audience's complacency). It's one of the most original takes on comedy that I've ever heard of, even all these years later.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

TRAs and people like them have no sense of humour. Or maybe they are insecure. Another possibility is that they were made fun of when they were at school and they never learned from it. Most people were made fun of when we went to school, though. I was often the butt of jokes among my peers until I learned to take a joke, corrected aspects of my behaviour to help me socialise better and embraced the flaws that I could do nothing about. Then my peers started to respect me. I also realised that everyone at school is the butt of a joke, so I stopped taking things personally. Unfortunately, some people never learn to lighten up, and these are not the type of people you’d want in positions of power.

Admittedly, sometimes people do go too far. Especially when it comes to a subject that is personal and easy to be ignorant about. But we’ve all gone too far at some point. I even admit that there have been times where I’ve gone too far making fun of someone. That’s why apologies exist. But some people are so thin skinned that you can’t even breathe without setting them off.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This reminds me of a statistic TRAs threw around a few months back. Apparently some large percent of transpeople were bullied at school, and that they needed more rights and protections at schools...except they missed the fact that most kids will be bullied at some point in school or in adult life. The ones lucky enough not to be bullied are either bullies themselves or non-descript enough to not be a target.

[–]ImNOTRobertPaulson 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If you a cis straight white male, you don’t get to say what’s offensive because damaging jokes are never made at your expense.

Isn't the dumb Dad and husband who needs to be saved by his wife trope pretty standard in sitcoms? Don't most comedians, regardless of their background, make fun of white guys?

As a white gay male, I could care less that white guys are the butt of a lot of jokes. If it's funny, I laugh. If I felt it went to far, I stop listening/watching. Its not hard.

Also, as an aside, I really hope we will eventually get to a place in society where the "people are upset on Twitter" thing stops being "news."

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, as an aside, I really hope we will eventually get to a place in society where the "people are upset on Twitter" thing stops being "news."

Hear hear!

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

"Don’t ask, don’t tuck". I don’t get the joke. Was Michael Che referring to transgender women in the military scratching their balls because their balls can’t fit in their gear?

Regardless, it’s sad that you’re not allowed to tell jokes in America anymore.

[–]millicentfawcett 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

SNL are screwed now Trump is gone. Anything political they try to do will be framed as some sort of 'hate' if it criticises the Biden admin. They'll have to stick to song parodies and advertising piss takes.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Nah they'll talk more shit about JK Rowling and "terfs" like they already did to get bonus points back.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because of course they will.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Don’t the far left hate Biden? They’d love for SNL to make fun of him, but then SNL would piss off Wall Street, Big Tech, neoliberals, globalists and neoconservatives. You’re not allowed to piss these people off and keep your job if you live in America. Not since Obama or Bush were in power.

[–]reluctant_commenter 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

but then SNL would piss off Wall Street, Big Tech, neoliberals, globalists and neoconservatives.

Yeah exactly, neoliberals love SNL.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I can imagine the thought process that went into this joke. "Don't ask don't tell was for the gays... Okay so... Tuck... That's something they do on RuPaul's Drag race right? Aren't those people trans? (toss in here the fact that most of these writers probably still have no fucking clue what trans is really) I got it! Don't ask, don't tuck! HARHARHARHAR!!!!" and then cue the surprised Pikachu reaction when half the audience doesn't get the joke, and the other half is like "...Oh." And the screeching minority is like OMG TWANSPHOBIA CANCEL SNL BAWWWWWW!!!

(If you don't know about RuPaul's DragRace, I haven't watched in a long while but they used to talk A LOT about having to tuck their eggs and sausage up to make their crotch area look flat for their costumes.)

But the joke doesn't even make sense if you think about it for more than two seconds because... (I'm just staring at my screen right now like... Oh God, I don't even want to over-analyze or explain this! That's how stupid it is.) Asking and tucking have nothing to do with each other. You're just supposed to hear the word 'tuck,' think of drag queens, and laugh mindlessly.

(This comment got removed because I accidentally used a prohibited word. Where it says drag queens now was a derogatory word for cross-dressing individuals that starts with t and ends with y. I used that word because I think that's the word average Americans think of when they think of cross dressers.)

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I, too, sometimes fall foul of the auto mod for using the same word.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s stupid that a comment can be nuked on this sub for saying t - - - - y. We’re not on Reddit anymore, we’re not in danger of getting banned off of Saidit.

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    [–]slushpilot 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Klinger from MASH couldn't be written today.

    [–]censorshipment 6 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

    I love offensive comedy. Is SNL still barely funny though? I always preferred In Living Color and MADtv.

    [–]hetisachoice 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    On a show where JK Rowling got the same treatment Sinead O'Connor gave the Pope?

    [–]turtleduck23 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    can't forget about the trans comdian who joked about skinning women and killing them, but god forbid you poke fun of them.

    [–]turtleduck23 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    this outrage reminds me when south park did the trans sports episode. this show makes fun of everybody, yet, them making fun of trans people "went too far". this is the show that had an episode where randy said the n-word over a hundred times, where they had a xmas episode with satan worshiping animals was ok and funny, but making fun of transwomen in women's sports was too offensive.

    [–]blahblahgcer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    A famous comedian, Anthony Jeselnik, is known for very offensive jokes. He said trans people are the current untouchables, and it changes every few years. He says this in his bit "Came Down With the Cancer".