LGB ErasureTRA unmasks their homophobia upon me questioning their argument against homosexuality being a mental illness, refers to homosexuality as a ‘mismatch between biological sex and sexual attraction.’

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[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

While I think many of them know better that their comparisons to homosexuality (and bisexuality) are inapposite, I do think there’s a sizable number who just don’t get it because they define us only by stigma (at best, kinda like how they lump every non-white person into one group defined by lack of whiteness) and are so narcissistic that they cannot see anyone else existing for any purpose other than to prop them up.

What creeps me out are the most fetishistic AGP and gaytrending transbois because they must have some awareness that their motivations are erotic in nature and connected to sexual gratification. And I don’t know which category they fall into. I think on some level they think we are perverted sexual deviants who think of the “sexual” in “sexual orientation” to refer to eroticism not the biological sex(es) we are attracted to relative to our own sex. Hence this new terrible “sexual identity” language which lumps us in with fetishists. And I find this patently offensive.

And you have to be pretty deluded to not see the difference between “Accept us for what we are” and “Accept us for what we are clearly not but wish we were. Or else.” The misappropriated conversion therapy rhetoric is one of the most insidious parts of this movement.

[–]reluctant_commenter 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do think there’s a sizable number who just don’t get it because they define us only by stigma

I think so, too. Such people likely have little experience with actually being LGB, because they are not same-sex-attracted themselves and/or because many of those in the "queer community" who they might believe are LGB are actually people who aren't, either.

I think on some level they think we are perverted sexual deviants who think of the “sexual” in “sexual orientation” to refer to eroticism not the biological sex(es) we are attracted to relative to our own sex. Hence this new terrible “sexual identity” language which lumps us in with fetishists. And I find this patently offensive.

Yeah. This is part of why I do not want to come out. Most people these days are like "Oh, you're gay/lesbian/bisexual? You must be part of the queer community!" Yeah, no. I am not and I refuse to be a meatshield for people who treat sexual orientation like it's a fun choice, a perverted choice, or any kind of choice.

[–]8bitgay 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they define us only by stigma (at best, kinda like how they lump every non-white person into one group defined by lack of whiteness)

And even that is contradictory. I mean, do they really believe there's a huge stigma against demisexuals? Or do they believe a "queer" couple (that is actually just a regular straight couple) was ever stigmatized? In one hand they try to lump us together because of stigma, but on other hand they get mad if you point out that queer+ groups simply don't go through the same struggles.

[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Gender dysphoria:

Can be influenced by external factors such as society or other mental illnesses

Induces suicidal thought over being unable to live as the desired gender

Requires permanent, life-changing surgery and hormone therapy to "fix"

Severe regret over not going through puberty as the desired gender

Homosexuality:

Innate characteristic which cannot be changed or "fixed"

Has zero bearing on mental health on it's own

Yes. Clearly, these two things are in the exact same ballpark of "mental illness", and therefore it definitely makes sense to compare the two. I am curious: does he consider therapy to help people with gender dysphoria live and accept their sex, conversion therapy?

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am curious: does he consider therapy to help people with gender dysphoria live and accept their sex, conversion therapy?

A lot of them do. Therapy that leads a person to feel content with their birth sex and to no longer desire transition "erases" a trans person from the community.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And now with anti-conversion therapy laws being retrofit to include therapy that helps a person be comfortable in their original body without operations, people will now be able to live their true lives as transpeople without hearing any opposition but instead empty affirmations.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

TRAs will do anything to keep us gays, lesbians and bisexuals obedient. To the point where they will say such nasty things to us. They need to keep us on Stockholm Syndrome.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What. The. Fuck. But what mismatch?? It isn't possible to use this word unless you're homophobic who believes it's not natural for a man to be with another man or a woman with another woman. Oh wait.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Trans activism's continued existence relies on hitching their wagon to the LGB movement and perpetuating the lie that their cause is equivalent to advocating for LGB rights and acceptance. It's parasitism.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Homosexuality is a mismatch between sexual attraction and biological sex.

This is completely idiotic. This sort of homophobic bullshit reads like it comes from the annals of some fundamentalist Christian handbook, and completely ignores everything we know about sex and animal biology. Sex can be for pleasure in many animal species, with homosexual interactions occurring regularly in the animal kingdom, and to frame it as a "mismatch" that only occurs as a result of some kind of illness is outright anti-science rhetoric.

[–]RainbowCapitalist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Meh. Seems like splitting hairs and clutching pearls at poor wording. Even if homosexuality exists in nature, the argument itself about what's natural was already wrong, because "unnatural" or "less natural" is okay. Homosexuality being a "mismatch" isn't too far off - reproduction is a pretty key part of sex if we're talking nature. Homosexuality is probably kind of a happy accident. If anyone wants to split hairs about sexual activity "also" being for bonding or pleasure or something, then the same logic works to make sexual activity in nature for dominance to apply to homosexuality, and I don't think we're all raping each other. (Not sure if there's dominance sex between females in nature; I'm sure radfems would consider the thought to be ridiculous heresy. But it probably exists in some form and the all-gay-sex-is-rape-dominance spiel has been used against lesbians, so I'd say it applies for all of us.)

This comment is more about all the rest of the comments in this post. In your case the TRA was sputtering for arguments and came up with that weak sauce, but if we spaz out every time discussions on sexuality inch past the 90s knee jerk science and slogans that sexuality-is-magic that at the time were the only seemingly effective argument against conversion camps, we'll sputter out too.

[–]PassionateIntensity 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Invert theory. It's literally the same shit from the 19th century.