Boys TWICE as likely as girls 'to be bullied about sexual orientation'

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[–]8bitgay 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

That's a weird reply to the previous comment. Nobody has to "handle" other people's problems, in a general way, whether people involved are male or female.

But if you're part of a school faculty/staff, handling the students' problems is literally your job.

Also I dunno why you think only boys bully their gay classmates. FtMs wouldn't try to claim gay spaces if homophobic women didn't exist.

[–]censorshipment 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

And this is why integration is a problem... women shouldn't have to deal with unruly boys, and men definitely shouldn't discipline girls.

[–]mvmlego 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

To be clear: are you advocating for separate boys' and girls' schools? I'm not necessarily saying that's a bad thing; I'd just be surprised. I tend to hear more support for that idea among social conservatives and the most vocal opposition to that idea among second-wave feminists.

[–]censorshipment 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

Yes. I am a separatist and support separatism/segregation based on sex, race, and even sexuality. I hate that black folks and women fought for desegregation/integration.

[–]mvmlego 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's... good to know. Thanks for the clarification.

[–]MrFahrenheit46 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

May I ask why you support separatism based on those categories?

[–]censorshipment 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Men, white people, and straight people (and het-partnered bi people) steamroll women, black people (I don't care about other "people of color"), and gay people. I am honestly mostly annoyed by white straight/male-partnered women... I'm tired of them acting like damsels in distress.

That's my petty answer since I'm in a petty mood.

[–]mvmlego 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

While it would be easier for the students to be separated by some of those characteristics in the short term, it would make things more difficult for them and society as a whole in the long term. If boys and girls (or black students and white students, etc.) don't learn how to work alongside one-another when they're young, then they're going to have to go through those struggles when they're older--either in college or in the workplace--unless you're advocating for completely apartheid society.

Such a society may be plausible with regard to race (though I'd contest the notion that it's desirable), but it's certainly not plausible with regard to sex. As for sexual orientation... even just separating schoolchildren on that basis isn't really possible, since kids often can't confidently classify their sexual orientation until their mid teens.

I don't think your solution would actually solve the problem you're seeking to address, either. Segregated schools (or societies) would probably result in an increase in disparities between groups, since the separation allows bigoted actors to more easily target members of certain demographic groups for mistreatment. It would also enable curricula and educational styles that reinforced problematic racial stereotypes, gender roles, etc., making integration down the line even more difficult.

Speaking of which, are you proposing that the education system would remain divided these ways indefinitely, or just until some standard of equal treatment in integrated schools could be assured? If the latter, then what would that standard be? If the former, then why do you believe that equal treatment can never be possible?

P.S.: Speaking in generalized terms about some demographic group doing some bad thing is unhelpful, inflammatory, and typically leverages its vagueness to try to support some sort of incorrect conclusion--and in case you're wondering, I say the same thing to white people making unflattering generalizations about a black person, men making unflattering generalizations about women, etc.