Boys TWICE as likely as girls 'to be bullied about sexual orientation'

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[–]Happy_face_caller 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Gay males are overwhelmingly the biggest victims of violent hate crimes so this for sure makes sense

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 24 insightful - 13 fun24 insightful - 12 fun25 insightful - 13 fun -  (6 children)

But what about the Trans Holocaust we hear so much about?

People wouldn't lie about that, would they?

[–]Happy_face_caller 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yeah nah.

I mean the stats don’t lie. Ask them why so many trans murders aren’t marked as hate crimes. Most of them are from fellow trans.

Gay men however that’s stranger violence and a serious issue.

If you say that in LGBT circles you will be dogpiled.

[–]homosomes 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I mean the stats don’t lie. Ask them why so many trans murders aren’t marked as hate crimes. Most of them are from fellow trans.

Really? I was under the impression that most of the murders of trans people keep citing as proof of the trans "murder epidemic" are based on the information we have on Brazilian transsexuals, who are usually involved in prostitution where they're killed by johns and pimps?

By no means am I saying it's okay that trans people are being murdered. But people who go hard on uncritically shouting "sex work is work!" (a lot of whom are trans people that will never have to see that horror) tend to ignore how dangerous and deadly prostitution is.

[–]Happy_face_caller 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Most trans people are murdered by fellow trans people or its drug deal gone wrong, etc. It happens but rarely is it an actual hate crime, look it up, people aren’t charged with hate crimes in the circumstances.

But when two Gay men are assaulted for holding hands it’s Almost always a stranger and because they are Gay. This isn’t common knowledge? Even the twaw screechers known this i thought

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But people who go hard on uncritically shouting "sex work is work!"

Labor: Providing a good or service in exchange for currency. Dangerous work, work that threatens your well-being, and work that is degrading, humiliating, or even ILLEGAL, is still work.

tend to ignore how dangerous and deadly prostitution is.

QUESTION: If prostitution is so dangerous and deadly, why are so many trans women involved in it? Why not simply get a different job that is safer and pays more?

[–]homosomes 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Ah, you again. My friend, I'm not saying that "sex work" does not literally fall under the definition of labor. I'm saying that the people encouraging the "sex work" are directly promoting an industry where violence, abuse, sex trafficking, and literal slavery is the norm. It does not take a genius to understand statistics of why 9 in 10 sex workers surveyed want out. But there is so much propaganda pushed by pimps and madams that people just swallow the happy hooker fantasy wholesale. And people want to whitewash what really happens and silence those who've exited sex work exposing the realities. I really wish people uncritically shouting "just let people do sex work!" would use their brains.

Why does anyone get into sex work? They were coerced, they were groomed, they were trafficked, they were desperate and had no other source of income. I don't think anyone, trans or not, should have to be in such a degrading and dangerous line of work. If people really care about someone who is straining for money, the solution is to help them not put your genitals in their face.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they were desperate and had no other source of income.

WHY DO YOU THINK TRANS PEOPLE DONT HAVE ANOTHER SOURCE OF INCOME?

YOU ARE SO CLOSE

[–]homosomes 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Considering how often I see straight guys get their boxers in a twist over the slightest chance of being percieved by other men as effeminate or gay... I'm not surprised.

[–]mvmlego 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yep. Each of the groups of the acronym has their own unique challenges, and I think one of the ones for gay men is that straight men tend to be less accepting of homosexual men than straight women are of homosexual women.

[–]just_lesbian_things 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not an "acceptance" thing, it's just that women don't tend to behave violently. Even if straight women don't "accept" lesbians, it rarely results in physical violence. Homophobic women stick to avoiding lesbians or social manipulation/shaming (see: none of the complaints about "Karens" involve physical violence). Most of the pressing problems lesbians face comes from straight men too, but usually that shows up as sexual harassment or rape.

[–]censorshipment 22 insightful - 4 fun22 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 4 fun -  (28 children)

...in Brazil.

I'm not sure what reaction you're trying to get here, but if boys are bullying other boys... then I see this as a male problem that has nothing to do with the female population.

[–]mvmlego 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

if boys are bullying other boys... then I see this as a male problem

That may be true, but it's not particularly important. Regardless of who's perpetrating the bullying, it's good for school faculty, guidance counselors, and administrative staff (including the women in each of those roles) to be aware that boys are particularly at risk for being targeted by sexual orientation-related bullying.

[–]censorshipment 13 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 6 fun -  (25 children)

I disagree. Let men handle it.

[–]8bitgay 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

That's a weird reply to the previous comment. Nobody has to "handle" other people's problems, in a general way, whether people involved are male or female.

But if you're part of a school faculty/staff, handling the students' problems is literally your job.

Also I dunno why you think only boys bully their gay classmates. FtMs wouldn't try to claim gay spaces if homophobic women didn't exist.

[–]censorshipment 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

And this is why integration is a problem... women shouldn't have to deal with unruly boys, and men definitely shouldn't discipline girls.

[–]mvmlego 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

To be clear: are you advocating for separate boys' and girls' schools? I'm not necessarily saying that's a bad thing; I'd just be surprised. I tend to hear more support for that idea among social conservatives and the most vocal opposition to that idea among second-wave feminists.

[–]censorshipment 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

Yes. I am a separatist and support separatism/segregation based on sex, race, and even sexuality. I hate that black folks and women fought for desegregation/integration.

[–]mvmlego 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's... good to know. Thanks for the clarification.

[–]MrFahrenheit46 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

May I ask why you support separatism based on those categories?

[–]censorshipment 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Men, white people, and straight people (and het-partnered bi people) steamroll women, black people (I don't care about other "people of color"), and gay people. I am honestly mostly annoyed by white straight/male-partnered women... I'm tired of them acting like damsels in distress.

That's my petty answer since I'm in a petty mood.

[–]mvmlego 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

While it would be easier for the students to be separated by some of those characteristics in the short term, it would make things more difficult for them and society as a whole in the long term. If boys and girls (or black students and white students, etc.) don't learn how to work alongside one-another when they're young, then they're going to have to go through those struggles when they're older--either in college or in the workplace--unless you're advocating for completely apartheid society.

Such a society may be plausible with regard to race (though I'd contest the notion that it's desirable), but it's certainly not plausible with regard to sex. As for sexual orientation... even just separating schoolchildren on that basis isn't really possible, since kids often can't confidently classify their sexual orientation until their mid teens.

I don't think your solution would actually solve the problem you're seeking to address, either. Segregated schools (or societies) would probably result in an increase in disparities between groups, since the separation allows bigoted actors to more easily target members of certain demographic groups for mistreatment. It would also enable curricula and educational styles that reinforced problematic racial stereotypes, gender roles, etc., making integration down the line even more difficult.

Speaking of which, are you proposing that the education system would remain divided these ways indefinitely, or just until some standard of equal treatment in integrated schools could be assured? If the latter, then what would that standard be? If the former, then why do you believe that equal treatment can never be possible?

P.S.: Speaking in generalized terms about some demographic group doing some bad thing is unhelpful, inflammatory, and typically leverages its vagueness to try to support some sort of incorrect conclusion--and in case you're wondering, I say the same thing to white people making unflattering generalizations about a black person, men making unflattering generalizations about women, etc.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Agreed. Men should start change attitudes and take responsability for their actions and let women take a break for constantly trying to "cover" the bs that it's mostly caused by men

[–]mvmlego 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Your comment seems to rely on two premises, both of which appear to be false:

1) that men (specifically, the male school staff) are causally responsible for the boys being bullied.

2) that school staff should only be responsible for fixing the problems that they cause.

To the first point: in what way is boys bullying boys caused by male school staff failing to take responsibility for their actions? To the second: of course people aren't only responsible for fixing whatever problems they've caused. If a staff member's only responsibility was to do no net harm, then there would be no reason to pay them in the first place.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The 2nd point is not true, I don't know where you got that idea from my answer lmao. I simply said that men should start changing attitude over the problems they cause, as women should also. In this case, it's true that most physical bullying directed at gay men is caused by straight males. Males should start taking responsability and not constantly hope that women or some staff will constantly "cover it up" and yes, of course school staff should be responsible for all problems caused, be them caused by a male or female.

[–]mvmlego 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The 2nd point is not true, I don't know where you got that idea from my answer lmao.

Your original comment was a non-sequitur, so I had to fill in your reasoning as best I could. You said that you agreed with someone who claimed (a) "this [is] a problem that has nothing to do with the female population" and (b) "let men handle it". This implies that you believe, for example, that female guidance counselors, the mother of a bully, and the mother of a victim of bullying have no responsibility to help resolve boy-on-boy bullying.

You've been pretty adamant about the point that men are causally responsible for boys bullying other boys, and I don't see how this would relate to conclusions (a) and (b) unless you were also operating under the hidden premise that people aren't responsible for solving problems that they didn't cause.

Also, you haven't clarified how men are responsible for sexual-orientation-based boy-on-boy bullying. How are the men in this situation causally responsible for the problem, and how does that justify censorshipment's comments that men bear sole responsibility for fixing it?

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

unless you were also operating under the hidden premise that people aren't responsible for solving problems that they didn't cause.

Yes, I believe this. People, males or females, should take responsabilities for their own actions. People who have no fault shouldn't have to be constantly "covering up" the mess someone else did.

What I mean is that men should start being aware from at a young age to be more aware of their actions, or things simply won't get better. Everyone knows that most physical harrassment towards gay men are from (straight) males. And it should be MEN calling out other MEN and giving the example. And I say the same with females. Women present no physical danger to males whatsoever even if they wished to do harm to gay men. Look at these FTM's. They do harrass gay men, yes. And yes, they should be called out for it. But do they really present some kind of physical threat the same way MTF present to lesbians? Hell no. Gay men usualy laugh at their faces and tell them to fuck off. Women are no physical threat to men.

[–]mvmlego 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, I believe this. People, males or females, should take responsabilities for their own actions. People who have no fault shouldn't have to be constantly "covering up" the mess someone else did.

In that case, my second point was appropriate: if a staff member's only responsibility is to do no net harm, then there would be no reason to employ them in the first place, so of course part of their job is to solve problems that they didn't cause. There's no reason this shouldn't include problems that are ostensibly caused by members of the opposite sex.

Regardless, you still haven't properly addressed the first point: how are the male faculty, guidance counselors, administrators, fathers of the bullies, and fathers of the victims categorically more responsible for boys heteronormatively bullying boys than the female faculty, guidance counselors, administrators, mothers of the bullies, and mothers of the victims are? You keep changing the subject to men harassing other men, but that's not what the article, the study, or the Saidit post are about; they're about boys bullying other boys--and the male adults in those boys' lives didn't necessarily cause the bullying any more so than the female adults in those boys' lives caused it.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Because it's important for young boys to have good men roles while growing up. Simple as that. And the same goes for women. Education from a young age, men need to be more present. Unfortunately, in many cases, it's still the women who does lots of the work.

And now, considering the example of a school's staff. I definitely think it should be the male staff members to handle male bullies and female staff members to handle female bullies. So schools should have in my opinion, staff from both sexes.

[–]BonesRedsMy pronouns are Yu/Gi/Oh! 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

While I agree that men should start to focus on improving attitudes towards groups that are different than them, that's both a human problem and a tremendous undertaking. I think it would be irresponsible to let gay men take care of it themselves, just as I think it would be irresponsible for gay men to let us lesbians handle the predatory MtFs ourselves. I don't see why we can't help each other in these issues.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We can help each other. But until men don't realise how harmful their actions can be and take responsability, things won't ever get better.

[–]ThiccDropkickGay 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Where in the article does it say that boys are the sole perpetrators?

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Totally unsurprising. Based on my personal experience, the kind of discrimination lesbians face is usually very different from a gay man, although I've been called disgusting for it as well. The type of discrimination lesbians face the most (that gay guys do not, or at least not so often for sure) is fetishization/sexualization by straight men. Lesbians aren't often discriminated the same way as gay men because lesbianism isn't still considered "real" by the heteronormative society. Society still holds that idea that lesbians are lesbians because of problems or trauma with men, and that lesbian sex isn't "real sex" so of course lesbians aren't going to be discriminated the same way. We're basically dismissed and "laughed at" by society. While gay men it's the opposite. A man's sexuality is instantly respected. If a man says he's a gay, no one questions it. But of course, society doesn't like gay men either and they tend to get a much more "verbal" and "physical" violent discrimination than women because of that. With lesbians, we're simply not taken seriously. It's like "ah, I bet it's just a stupid phase" or whatever. Besides this, I blame this mostly on straight men. Whether it's discrimination towards gay men or towards lesbians, it's practically always straight men who perpetuate it. I don't usually like to generalize men like this, but in this particular case, it is the truth. And I have to agree with what someone else on here said that this seems to be much more of a male problem AND that men should start to take responsability of that.

[–]censorshipment 18 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

I think it depends on what type of lesbian you are. I'm butch and was almost raped after being "set up" by a gay friend. I was 15 and my friend was 18. He invited me to his dorm room so his 18 year old friend, who I thought was gay, could rape me. I told them I had a girlfriend... they knew I was a lesbian. Fortunately, I'm not a petite butch. Corrective rape happens to lesbians. Does it happen to gay men?

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Corrective rape does seem to be a unique problem to lesbians. But again, who perpetuates it? Straight men. It's always straight men, whether it's towards lesbians or gay men. And I'm so sorry that happened to you.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

How strong are you to escape two men by yourself?

[–]censorshipment 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

My gay friend left the room, and I left about 3 minutes later when the guy said something sexual to me.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

I almost thought you were a 6ft amazon crushing men with her legs :D

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

That was the plan all along: death by Snu Snu

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Death by snu snu is best death.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know what is worst, to get disgusted reaction or being dismissed. But at least gay men are taken seriously.

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Lesbians aren't often discriminated the same way as gay men because lesbianism isn't still considered "real" by the heteronormative society.

Ehhhh... I think that's gonna depend on other factors, like the demographics of the people you're around and maybe the area you're in. My homophobic religious family members think lesbians are just as "evil" as gay men (and they do not think bisexuality exists), and I heard classmates describing it as "disgusting" and doing social shunning type of stuff. Not as much physical harassment though if that's what you mean.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I've also been called disgusting and weird for being a lesbian. I'm aware that it does happen. And I'm aware that there are lesbians who are kicked out from their homes, getting corrective rape and so many other truly terribly things. In my answer, I was speaking generally, what it's more likely to happen without specifying countries and situations. And yes, I meant physical harassment.

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And yes, I meant physical harassment.

Gotcha, yeah I agree. Sorry to hear you have dealt with similar bullshit. Hope you're doing well. :)

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 8 insightful - 10 fun8 insightful - 9 fun9 insightful - 10 fun -  (5 children)

Unsurprising. I've seen more hate and mockery towards gay/bi males in real life than I have to lesbian/bi women.

But radical feminists will still claim that wealthy white lesbians have it the hardest in the world, as per usual.

[–]homosomes 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I've literally never seen radical feminists say anything like that. Most radfems have issues (white and otherwise) take issue with people using the word "white" to get away with being sexist because there's a trend of it being socially acceptable in leftist/liberal circles to hate on women as long as you throw "white" in front of it. There are so many popular tweets floating around by men talking about how much they want to beat up or kill (white) women and everyone cheers like it's progressive. Contrary to popular belief, a lot of nonwhite radfems and gender critical women of color have commented on this trend. Like how it's usually done by hypocritical men and liberal feminists who have no problem being racist or abusive towards minority women that don't believe in TRA rhetoric.

I have certain critiques of radfems and their beliefs too, but making stuff up about what they believe in because you dislike them is dumb. Of all the modern feminist subgroups radical feminists tend listen to and defend lesbians the most in my experience. (At least the radfems who don't beleive in political lesbianism do. But that is a rant for another day....)

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've literally never seen radical feminists say anything like that. Most radfems have issues (white and otherwise) take issue with people using the word "white" to get away with being sexist because there's a trend of it being socially acceptable in leftist/liberal circles to hate on women as long as you throw "white" in front of it.

I find a lot of White women use claims of sexism to avoid dealing with the reality of consequences of the privilege they weild against POC. Saying you can't criticize White women for wielding their privilege ignores the explicit role White women, White feminism, and White feminism has in maintaining systems of oppression against other marginalized communities.

A prime example is the US educational system, which was built and designed by white people for the success of white people, and is largely managed by White women.

https://www.panafricanalliance.com/forced-school-busing/?noamp=mobile

Contrary to popular belief, a lot of nonwhite radfems and gender critical women of color have commented on this trend.

I disagree with this phrasing, simply because there are very few gender-crit radfems, and in terms of organized ramfem movements, there is very little WOC representation.

[–]homosomes 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I disagree with this phrasing, simply because there are very few gender-crit radfems, and in terms of organized ramfem movements, there is very little WOC representation.

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you after posting this comment because I frankly don't have the energy and don't think you're arguing in good faith, but this line right here shows that you do not seem to understand that radical feminists are by nature gender critical. Also, WOC are a minority in Anglophone radfem spaces. But that does not mean that radical feminism is unknown to WOC. South Korea is a prime example. Their radical feminist movement is huge. The radfem movement throughout Latin America is also growing. In fact, outside of the western world the aims of feminists throughout the world are more akin to radical feminism (fighting sex-based oppression of females) than any other.

I don't believe the term "white feminism" is useful. Can white women be racist? Yes. Does that mean white women are exempt from experiencing sexism? No. As a WOC it's annoying to see people claim that feminists like the Nigerian Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie are "white feminists" simply because they do not believe in gender, or because they see how self-ID can easily be exploited. That tells you how the concept of "white feminism" is just used to shut women up.

Guessing from your name and recent post history that you're a trans person trying to convince us here to change positions. I will save you some time: it's probably not going to happen. We've been abused, gaslit, and harassed by the trans community for too long.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, WOC are a minority in Anglophone radfem spaces.

South Korea

Latin America

So basically what you're saying is "The voices of WOC are important when they don't infringe on my own right to marginalize others for my own comfort".

We've been abused, gaslit, and harassed by the trans community for too long.

The racist crocodile tears of your movement fail to move me.

[–]mvmlego 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think the existence of intersectional feminism demonstrates that feminists, progressives, and (especially) hardcore leftists don't consider wealthy, white lesbians to have it the hardest.

[–]reluctant_commenter 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

What does your username, "het is a choice," mean? Do you believe that sexual orientation is a choice?

[–]hetisachoice[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

I do not believe that being gay is a choice.

[–]reluctant_commenter 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But you believe that being het is a choice...? I guess I'm just confused.

[–]mvmlego 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Stop being evasive and answer the question properly for once. I've seen you do this sort of thing before.

[–]hetisachoice[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Being gay is not a choice.

[–]mvmlego 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (13 children)

Keep evading. This makes for some easy karma for me.

[–]hetisachoice[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I'm not evading anything. I provided the only answer that such a flippant and frankly kind of homophobic and misandrist question deserves. And I provided it TWICE.

[–]mvmlego 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Your answer has no apparent relation to the question of why one would adopt "hetisachoice" as a username. Keep trolling.

[–]hetisachoice[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Keep projecting, keep enabling the existence of the closet. The lengths people will go to to deny being gay are sickening. Calling me a tr-ll, a fascist bullyword designed to suppress dissent and create echo chambers, is doing homophobes' work for them.

[–]mvmlego 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Okay, troll. Keep evading the question, troll.

[–]hetisachoice[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Keep enabling homophobia, sellout.

[–]SnowAssMan 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I just saw a video questioning this claim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddJ-msBLP-s&t=1383s skip to 18:43

[–]hetisachoice[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The claim is unquestionable.

[–]mvmlego 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did Abby Nissenbaum work on that study, specifically? It seemed to me that the two research teams just happened to be researching similar things and finding the same conclusions (and, at least in the case of Abby's group, doing so illegitimately). That said, I agree with the more general point that it's good to be skeptical of individual social science studies.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because female sexuality isn't seen as a threat to the patriarchy.

[–]hetisachoice[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then it should more accurately be referred to as the str8triarchy.

[–]MisandryFTW 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When I was in high school the gay and bisexual boys at my school got beat up, the lesbian and bisesexual women got beat up as well and corrective raped a lot, we just hid it unless we ended up in the hospital. I would say the boys experienced a lot more frequent verbal and minor bullying though.