No one is forcing you yet

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[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 53 insightful - 7 fun53 insightful - 6 fun54 insightful - 7 fun -  (6 children)

Top part contradicts bottom part: "It is not transphobic to not date with trans people, but it is transphobic to say about that at loud to them or others".

And this comic ignore the part, that it is not we, who are coming to transes and saying "we will not date you", it is them who are infiltrating our spaces and trying to force us to date them, while using old-school homophobic reasoning.

[–]8bitgay 28 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, what do they consider "yelling it from the rooftops"? Because what I see is, for example, transpeople coming to gay/lesbian communities, asking if we would date them, and then getting mad when they hear a no. Is it yelling from the rooftops when you give a honest answer to people who insist on questioning you? On the other hand, I've never heard about LGB going to trans communities to tell them we wouldn't date them. And I'm sure that if that happened we wouldn't stop hearing about it.

Recently a Brazilian gay youtuber suffered attacks for saying he likes sucking dicks. He didn't even mention transmen, he didn't even mention he doesn't date transmen. He only said that he likes sucking dicks, in response to people shipping him with a cis woman. Is that yelling from the rooftops too?

When LGB people reject trans people's advances in a private conversation, and then trans people go online to say how this interaction was transphobic and how their preferences are bad, was that rejection yelling from the rooftops too?

They might say it's fine to have "preferences" as long as you don't shout it towards people. But this entire notion is homophobic, and their bar for "yelling from the rooftops" is really low.

[–]chupacabrawitchI'm super thanks for asking 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Now where have we heard that rhetoric before? "I don't care if youre gay just don't force it on everybody"...funny how they're doing exactly that!

[–]8bitgay 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Dude, I kid you not, this was gonna be the last paragraph of my comment but I ended up deleting it! With these exact words lol

But yeah. It's like straight homophobes who say "I don't care if youre gay just don't force it on everybody". And to them everything anyone does that might remind them that LGB people exist is "forcing it on everybody". You held hands with your boyfriend? You're forcing it. You mentioned your same-sex partner when asked if you have a partner? Forcing it.

It's funny that the correlation is so clear that you also made the same link before I even mentioned it lol

[–]chupacabrawitchI'm super thanks for asking 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's because they're so predictable at this point, they make the same circular points and use hurt feelings as a means to win arguments that make no logical sense. Truth is offensive apparently.

[–]ChodeSandwichtender and moist 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think he wants someone to get caught lying to him/trans women so he has another excuse to needle at people's boundaries. If one cis person can't be trusted, suddenly none of them can.

[–]our_team_is_winning 43 insightful - 6 fun43 insightful - 5 fun44 insightful - 6 fun -  (19 children)

"cis people have sex with trans people ALL the time" -- yeah, in their creepy slash fan fiction stories online.

It's like watching a film studio put millions into a campaign for a film that will flop. A film that will end up losing hundreds of millions of dollars and be ridiculed for decades. Only the studio hasn't caught on yet and the ad campaign is still in full swing.

[–]sleepless-dreamer 31 insightful - 5 fun31 insightful - 4 fun32 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Right? But then they constantly complain that no one will have sex with them. So which is it?

[–]8bitgay 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

The relevant part is "keep it a secret" IMO.

I mean, yeah, I know lots of cis men have sex with transwomen in secret. Because they're actually gay/bi men in the closet who have sex with transwomen as a way to fulfill their homosexual desires while also being able to justify to themselves that "it's not really gay".

[–]Femaleisnthateful 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

A friend of mine recently broke up with her bf because she discovered he was secretly having sex with transgender prostitutes. Apparently it's the transwomen who are the victims in this scenario.

[–]pacmanla 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sorry that happened to your friend, & this is why I confront men who claim they're "straight", but also say they're "trans attracted". These "straight" men are attracted to the fact that these are men (because they're gay/bi) who appear as "women". And nine times out of ten, still have their male genitalia attached. But, since they appear as "women", these guys (in their minds) are "straight".

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Lol yea, welcome to r/sex.

Hey, u/reluctant_commenter, I would like to pitch this as a potential tag within s/transthegay away. Which is men (it’s generally men) engaging in homosexual behavior while loudly trying to justify it as straight under the guise of how supportive of trans people they are. R/sex has examples of this where men go to brag about their first time with a trans woman. I feel bad for anyone struggling with their sexuality. It took me a while to clear away the cognitive dissonance and accept that I’m a lesbian. But it’s more so the cultish praise coming from the commenters about how wonderful and inclusive the OP is and how totally heterosexual he is when it’s obvious he’s bisexual, or possibly even just a gay dude and they’re just creating a neo-closet for him. It’s super dystopian. I’m also reminded of the homophobic comments apparently made by Blaire White’s boyfriend. Obviously he’s not heterosexual and takes that out on gay men, which is unacceptable.

Editing in some examples:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/kb4jw9/the-straight-men-who-have-sex-with-trans-women

https://www.playboy.com/read/yes-you-re-still-straight-if-you-date-trans-women

https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/2hb723/im_a_guy_who_has_always_identified_as_straight/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[–]8bitgay 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

And the thing is that on social media you keep seeing people making this argument of "so if gay men are only into people with dicks would you have sex with a transwoman???". No, I wouldn't, but many other gay men have, because of this closet situation we're discussing.

I've actually seen many interviews with transwomen who work in prostitution. And something they always say is that they wouldn't do the surgery because they'd lose most of their clients if they didn't have a dick.

And it's funny because TRAs love to use prostitute transwomen as data for their argument (since these are the trans people who are most at risk of suffering violence), but they never listen to what these transwomen actually have to say. At least in my experience these transwomen are way more aware of the material reality of their bodies and their sexualities than any of these entitled straight people who try to force themselves into LGB communities.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, it’s an excellent point. And I’ve heard this from a lot of trans women before, this idea that they know they’d have fewer sexual partners if they got genital surgery because for the partners to whom they have been open about being transgender, their male physique, especially when hidden from public perception, is exactly what their partners are drawn to. I think it’s sad that our society is so phobic of men being attracted to other men that it results in these bizarro situations where one male partner purports to be a a straight woman and the other male partner purports to be a straight man so that they can engage in engage in run-of-the-mill anal and oral homosexual sex.

And I can say that as a lesbian I can definitely be physically attracted to pre-transition trans men, but once they start taking hormones the attraction or surgically altering their bodies, the attraction goes away because I am openly homosexual and can find a female partner, whether masculine or feminine (I’m attracted to both) and don’t need to find a partner that allows me to hide it. But if I have to choose between FtM and MtF, it’s an easy choice for FtM. MtF would never be an option. They have literally nothing I’m interested in at all because I’m a homosexual female. Not into breast implants, moobs, or male genitalia. Very much into natural breasts of all sizes, a wide range of female bodies, and female genitalia.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

and don’t need to find a parent that allows me to hide it.

*partner? :)

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Lol yes. Suddenly Oedipal.

[–]fuck_reddit 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They never listen to anyone/group that they use as a talking point... they do the same with Marsha P. Johnson and him saying he was a male crossdresser and wasn’t there to throw the first brick. But it’s not too surprising that the people demanding you support their delusion have a tenuous hold on reality...

[–]8bitgay 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The Martha thing is interesting because they love saying how you must respect how people identify and the gender identity they claim... Yet when Martha claims he's a man and not trans obviously they must decide for him otherwise.

[–]fuck_reddit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It also confounds their "trans people have always existed" thing. Cause if they've always existed, why did Marsha say he was a man when he could've said he was trans? Then if trans didn't exist back then, then they could claim that he "didn't know how to explain it" and trans him after. But they can't do both.

[–]8bitgay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right? Not to mention Martha died in 1992. Sure, the transgender cause wasn't so popular back then, but someone like Martha was certainly aware of it.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That sounds like an awesome tag idea, thanks for the examples! Hmm.. now we'll all have to think of a good shorthand for it. "Dating trans to erase my gayness"? "I swear I'm straight"? "Gay and in denial"? "LGB and in denial"? I'll work on it.

[–]our_team_is_winning 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

have sex with transwomen as a way to fulfill their homosexual desires

I don't get men who are attracted to men with nasty breast implants. I get straight men enjoying other men sometimes, but it seems like they would be attracted to masculinity, not freakishness. Nothing weird about same-sex attraction, but attraction to the mutilated body of a fetishist -- that I don't get.

[–]8bitgay 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The guys who seek these prostitutes aren't GB men like us who are comfortable with their sexualities. They're men who are "straight" to the eyes of society, often married. They lived decades in the closet, and they can't admit even to themselves that they might be gay/bi.

You're right, there's nothing weird about same-sex attraction, but these men don't think the same.

[–]our_team_is_winning 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If GB continues to gain mainstream acceptance, T will probably hate us even more for making straight men comfortable with men (non-T men). I just can't wrap my head around a man really wanting an encounter with a male body but thinking that's bad; an encounter with a male body full of cross-sex hormones and breast implants, THAT is just fine though, not a disturbing fetish there, oh no. I'm kind of surprised straight men can find "transwomen" to sleep with because I thought all the "transwomen" were "lesbians"!

[–]pacmanla 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

100% agree.

[–][deleted] 31 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 0 fun32 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

God I hate this. It's just so, so homophobic. No-one goes around telling straight people they have a genital fetish, that's only something I've seen aimed at lesbian and gay communities.

Also it fits in nicely with DARVO (aka gaslighting). D = downplay the abuse [trans people can have anytype of genitalia, trans people have all sorts of bodies, cis people have sex with trans people all the time, no-one is forcing you to date anyone], A = attack the victim ["genital fetish", welcome to the 21st century, it's transphobic to say you wouldn't date trans people], RVO = reverse victim and offender [if you have preconceived ideas about trans bodies these are stereotypes and that's transphobic, ...leads trans people to dangerous and potentially violent situations, stop yelling your transphobia from the rooftops].

No you creepy and abusive arseholes, gaslighting people who don't want to sleep with you into having sex with you is coercive and manipulative behaviour; and frankly, abusive. This is vile and pathetic. It's shameful that this has become a hallmark of your community.

[–]pacmanla 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No-one goes around telling straight people they have a genital fetish, that's only something I've seen aimed at lesbian and gay communities.

Oh yeah, they do say straight people have a "genital fetish". Unfortunately they have REALLY come after the LGB community the hardest. I do wonder why they don't come after heterosexuals the way they do the LGB. Imho, they're somewhat afraid to come after heterosexuals with the same tenacity as the LGB, because there's no expectation of heterosexuals to be "inclusive" in their sexual orientation. Another theory is that these are simply misogynistic men, attempting to not let women have a life without men. I honestly don't see to the same degree, transmen (females) bullying gay men to sleep with them. I know it happens, but imo, transwomen (males) are just bullying & threatening lesbians at this point.

[–]ColoredTwice 26 insightful - 9 fun26 insightful - 8 fun27 insightful - 9 fun -  (2 children)

On frame with genitals only male genitals? Author is transphobic and forgot about transmen! They are so obviously only supporting transwomen in lesbian spaces. Lmao.

"Following stereotypes is transphobic"

So transgenders themselves are transphobic? As they follow them very strictly.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 19 insightful - 8 fun19 insightful - 7 fun20 insightful - 8 fun -  (1 child)

'Male genitals' is something of a stretch. One of them is an ear of corn, one of them appears to be some kind of sinister voodoo doll and a third is a gaggle of tentacles with shudder suction cups...

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 8 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

They all look like that to me, lmao :D

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 22 insightful - 4 fun22 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Right, let’s address all four of the panels one by one.

The first one is obviously homophobic and hetetophobic, calling sexual orientation a “genital fetish”. It’s insulting. And no, “detachable genitals” are not real genitals. A dildo doesn’t grow in size like a penis does. Plus, I don’t want to have sex with females.

The second panel misses the point that people in opposite-sex relationships want both partners to be the biological parents to their children. Because it’s natural and simple. IVF and surrogacy are expensive. Not to mention the ethical concerns surrounding IVF and surrogacy.

Nobody denies hat trans people have all body types. I just don’t want to have sex with transsexuals.

Some non-transsexual people have sex with transsexuals. Some. Most people still don’t want to date transsexuals. And it’s not just because society is transphobic.

If Ireland were to pass a law making it illegal to say no to a transsexual, I will leave.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

And no, “detachable genitals” are not real genitals. A dildo doesn’t grow in size like a penis does.

And honestly, who would want to do something with an object that doesn't feel anything? That gives no sensation to the wearer. Who would lick a prosthetic ear?

They might as well face facts. Even Trans don't want to date Trans. Obviously medical technology today is not nearly advanced enough to makes Transitioned individuals remotely sexually palatable to the average person.

I would never acquiescence to relations with someone with gender affirming top/bottom surgery. Or even with someone who only says they are a different sex than they actually are. Why deal with someone with that level of disconnect? Who knows how many other problems they have? People shouldn't have to.

Anyway, I hope Canada would never pass a law like that. But they seem just woke enough to do it sometimes. Anything to distract from the economy..

[–]QueenBread 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

To be fair, the author of this webcomic got popular precisely for making this dumb stuff. Makes me wonder if he's just a big troll who knew how to get into the spotlight.

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Curious what webcomic this is? I want to be able to show friends this kind of homophobic crap.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Assigned Male. A subreddit taking the piss out of it was banned.

[–]malloww 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Assigned male. The one where the kid casually talks about peeing out of his "big clitoris" is a true gem, I recommend it.

[–]QueenBread 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Don't. I'd wager this may probably be what the author wants. I think it was Oscar Wilde who said "talk negatively about me, as long as you talk about me" or something like that.

[–]reluctant_commenter 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If it turns people against transgender ideology then that is a good thing.

[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, it isn't a "genitalia fetish". It is an intrinsic part of my sexuality.

[–]reluctant_commenter 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

s/TransTheGayAway, I'm gonna keep collecting examples til I've got a critical mass...

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 11 insightful - 10 fun11 insightful - 9 fun12 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

Oh wow, who wants to suck or get pegged by a corncob, octopus tentacles, or mini cruxified Jesus?

[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean... I've seen people call Miley fucking Cyrus TERF-y for saying she prefers one set of genitalias to another. So. Yeah. She didn't even say that she wouldn't date a trans person. But sure, no one is forcing her to.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is comedy gold. Alright let's break this down:

Panel 1: a wall of random phallis-shaped objects. We're told that genitals can literally look like anything, including a cob of corn, apparently. No, they can't and shouldn't. They have a specific form and function, and if your genitals look like half-frozen jello, you should maybe see a doctor. I think the point here is to detach body parts and sexual organs from material definitions of male and female. And they mean 'detached' in the literal sense, evidently.

Panel 2: Gender idealogues and critical theories are literally trying to demolish the very concept of the nuclear family, aren't they? Here they are mocking people for wanting biological children and portraying some random slob to mock the concept of natural procreation. No, there aren't a 'million ways' to create children. There's a male gamete and a female gamete which get combined and gestated in a human female. That's it. We as a society have moved very quickly from 'children have a right to know their biological heritage' to ... whatever is being advocated for here.

Panel 3: Your preconceived notions of trans peoples' bodies are transphobic. This is perhaps the most ironic, because the success of transactivism has been predicated on exactly that: well-meaning people ignorantly believing that 'trans' means 'transition' ie sex reassignment surgery. Here they are acknowledging that 'trans' can mean anything - and therefore nothing.

Panel 4: I just want receipts. Cis people have sex with trans people all the time but lie about it/ hide it? I've heard of trans people catfishing potential partners by hiding their true sex/ genitals. Can we talk about that?

[–]SkinnyVanilla 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If cis people are having sex with trans people all the time why do they care if some don't want to?

[–]censorshipment 12 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

TRAs want a 100% conversion rate.

[–]hetisachoice 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

By that line of thinking, it is internalized misandry for men not to date each other.

[–]censorshipment 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Forcing "monosexuals" to be bisexuals is their agenda.

[–]divingrightintowork 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Oh gosh author, How do people have babies? How is Babby made?

[–]LeoneOkada 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

And what if we don't want an ugly freak show of nature?

[–]marmorsymphata 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Imagine calling tentacle fucking and crucifix dildos normal and positioning it as synonymous with trans people to make them seem normal also?????? These people just can't help being disgusting