What's with celebrities 'coming out' and not clarifying what they're coming out as?

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[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 45 insightful - 1 fun45 insightful - 0 fun46 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

This is consistent with my workplace eliminating identification as lesbian, bisexual, or gay. Now we get to identify as "a member of the LGBTQ+ community" or "not a member of the LGBTQ+ community." But of course there is a place to identify as "non-binary" specifically and another place to identify as "transgender" or "cisgender." They totally eliminated "sex" too. It's now "gender," "gender identity," and "LGBTQ+ status."

This helps the LARPers, trenders, and grifters and hurts actual lesbian, bisexual, and gay people.

[–]supersmokio6420 22 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

Doesn't anyone else at your work find that strange? I would have thought not having specific options for LGB but having them for TQ+ would have at least got some heads scratching.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 27 insightful - 3 fun27 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

I noticed the change this past week when it was announced that the self-disclosure forms were changed in line with Joe Biden's executive order. I believe that's when LGB were removed as individual categories, but would have to ask others to confirm what the form looked like when they filled it out. When I last touched the form lesbian, bisexual, and gay were mentioned specifically.

I asked a lesbian friend and she said yes, she found this very strange and did not support it, and was not part of any conversation about it before the change was made.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 18 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

At this point I would just disregard their form and click 'other' - pretend to be that gender identity that identifies with not being labelled with a gender identity. Or just make up your own! You're valid.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, I'm selecting "prefer not to disclose" under "gender identity" at the very least. When I'm up to it, I will ask why "sex" was removed as a category if the whole idea is that "sex and gender are different." The other thing that's weird with saying "LGBTQ+ status" is are they really asking intersex people to disclose their medical conditions for Christ's sake? What are they saying falls under that label "LGBTQ+" and what doesn't? Their definition of "transgender" is "your gender identity is different from your gender assigned at birth." So they seem to imply that gender = sex but then when you go to gender, the choices are male, female, and non-binary, so WTF. Obviously non-binary is not a sex and no one was "assigned" that at birth.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 13 insightful - 12 fun13 insightful - 11 fun14 insightful - 12 fun -  (0 children)

I have haemorrhoids. I'm normalising making our medical records public so as to be inclusive to intersex people.

[–]our_team_is_winning 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I noticed the change this past week when it was announced that the self-disclosure forms were changed

WHY is any workplace asking such a question???? When you apply there's a box for male or female, probably in case your name is Chris, Terry, Robin, etc. they want to know is it Mr. or Ms. Asking anything about your sexuality seems WAY out of line.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

They collect demographic data for diversity purposes. The EEOC collects such demographic data and some clients have rules about wanting “diverse” teams. I don’t love this last reason honestly because the demographic categories aren’t all interchangeable. Most relevantly though sometimes these characteristics are relevant. Like I would not want there to be a male on female sexual harassment investigation or sex discrimination matter without a member of the female sex on the team. But a trans-identifying male is an extremely poor substitute in such circumstances considering that they aren’t collecting info on sex anymore. Likewise if the matter involves sexual orientation, some gender loon has zero insight there and brings nothing to the table.

[–]our_team_is_winning 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They collect demographic data for diversity purposes.

I hate identity politics and I hate the govt telling people who to hire, who to admit, etc. based on checking off boxes ala the Biden Strategy. They might claim it's the only way to make sure companies don't only hire one group, but I've seen IT and medical places that were ONLY Indian males, so I think they just mean "no white majorities" -- now that white people are govt designated "terrorists."

I can see checking if they hire women, esp. in fields where women don't always get a chance, but it shouldn't be by force. Who wants to think "they only hired me as a token, not on my merits"? And now that men in wigs are counted as women, why bother with any of this? Government-sanctioned Wokedom. Extending to people's sexual orientation really disturbs me.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They might claim it's the only way to make sure companies don't only hire one group, but I've seen IT and medical places that were ONLY Indian males, so I think they just mean "no white majorities" -- now that white people are govt designated "terrorists."

Yes this has been an area of recent legal attention, reverse discrimination in IT hiring.

Extending to people's sexual orientation really disturbs me.

Yea I don’t like this but it’s weird that it’s “LGBTQ status” as if we’re interchangeable. Some queer nuisance has nothing to offer in terms of insight on the legal issues we work on. A gay or bisexual person does.