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[–]BiHorror 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Which also includes the whole "gender = societal expectations" eventually. Because he's the one who also created that. The whole questioning of if xyz is internal is based on his works involving those two kids. Past feminists adopted that into their stuff and he's still considered the overall coiner of "sex =/= gender" bs.

Although, he did help create the monstrosity that TRAs use, he isn't the one who coined gender identity. He built off of the person before (Robert J. Stoller aka the original coiner of gender identity).

TRAs have decided to run with. I think a lot of people who mindlessly parrot TRA talking points would be fucking shocked to find out about what he did.

Nah, how I know? Because I talked with these people before. And the majority of them? Usually make excuse on why they should still continue using it. Like, "how it's unfortnate he did this to these two kids" and blah blah blah but let's continue using it!

Only the majority/normal/average people outside of ALL (as in people who still see gender = sex) don't know of any of this. Lucky them...

Personally, I think the word "gender" should just drop from use completely (which it was but he and Robert brought it back when in the past it was used in only grammar related stuff) and replaced everything with sex. People are smart enough to figure out the context of if it's being used to refer to intercourse or body/sex types.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Nah, how I know? Because I talked with these people before. And the majority of them? Usually make excuse on why they should still continue using it. Like, "how it's unfortnate he did this to these two kids" and blah blah blah but let's continue using it!

This is extremely horrifying! I have also talked to people (otherwise intelligent, compassionate) who somehow apologize for/explain away why child transition should be a thing. It shows me how many people are susceptible to propaganda, b/c that is so, so far from a healthy/normal/humane viewpoint.

[–]BiHorror 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It baffles me how can you supposedly be against child abuse, esp to this extreme, but wanna continue using this man's work? You could literally use anyone else but no... You decided you wanted to go with this sicko's experiments. They don't see how this is making them (and others because I have seen some actual homophobes using John Money and associating him with LGB) look bad.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Hey BiHorror, you replied to me I think by accident. I didn't say anything about John Money.

[–]BiHorror 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Super late reply: I don't think so. Although, I did write John Money in my previous comment talking about how actual homophobes (like outside of tras) who are using him as ammo against lgb.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh I get it now. You were using "you want to continue using this man's work" not directed to me, LOL. My bad. Yeah John Money's work shouldn't be used now, ever.

[–]BiHorror 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's alright! But yeah, his works shouldn't be used but these people are very keen on using it while supposedly being "against" the shit he did.