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[–]MilkTea 48 insightful - 3 fun48 insightful - 2 fun49 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

If a cis man wants to assault women in public bathrooms he can just... walk in.

But now with self ID, women aren’t allowed to feel uncomfortable or threatened and wouldn’t be able to kick him out until it’s too late. They really prioritize predatory AGP’s feelings over women’s safety.

[–]julesburm1891[S] 33 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 0 fun34 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah. It’s willfully missing the point that women don’t want to give every creepy dude carte blanche in all women’s spaces.

[–]turtleduck23 41 insightful - 1 fun41 insightful - 0 fun42 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

no, now men are being given permission to enter women's bathrooms by the government. before, if you saw a man walk into a woman's restroom you would call the manager or a security guard to get him out, now if a man walks into a woman's bathroom you can't say anything or you'll be labeled a bigot.

[–]our_team_is_winning 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

now if a man walks into a woman's bathroom you can't say anything

Would this fall under "criminal genius" or "the world's gone mad"?

[–]GConly 36 insightful - 2 fun36 insightful - 1 fun37 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Except an awful lot of women's loos are policed, in business premises by staff who'll come running when they hear a scream.

As I am getting a bit sick of pointing out, we've already had one very nasty sexual assault on a little girl by a transwoman as a result of this.

http://transcrimeuk.com/2019/02/02/katie-dolatowski/

Incident one:

In the first incident on 8 February 2018, Dolatowski had been to the toilets with a carer and was walking towards the exit when a young girl walked past. Dolatowski then returned to the toilets alone on a pretext and filmed the 12 year old child by holding a mobile phone over the cubicle partition.

Incident two:

The court was told a 10-year-old girl had been inside the toilets while her father waited outside. He heard his daughter screaming and she then came running out of the bathroom saying that “a crazy man with long hair was in the bathroom and had grabbed her face and pushed her into a cubicle, before demanding she take her trousers off.”

Five years ago and the cops would have been called when he was seen entering the loos.

Other cases:

http://transcrimeuk.com/2017/10/30/mark-lazarus/

http://transcrimeuk.com/2017/10/30/joel-hardman/

Hardman terrified innocent women for his own gratification. Fortunately, security staff were quick to respond and detained him at the scene.

Now all he has to do is walk right in and they can't remove him anymore.

[–]PassionateIntensity 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

When criminals who rape children campaign for unisex bathrooms people need to stop and ask themselves -- gosh, do they have an ulterior motive?

https://www.womenarehuman.com/male-transgender-youth-arrested-for-raping-4-year-old-girl-distributing-videos-photos-of-the-act-jakob-dakota-nieves/

[–]GConly 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even better, one UK politician campaigning for all gender loos got done with assaulting a little girl in the UK. I wonder why he was so keen to left alone with little girls.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/uk-politician-who-lobbied-for-gender-neutral-toilets-charged-with-child-sex-abuse

An English town councillor who hopes to make government-owned facilities gender-neutral has been charged with nine counts of sexually touching a child.

Look up the Chanellor saga as well.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/aimee-challenor-father-rape-election-agent-green-party-investigation-a8725701.html

Also Aimee Challenor was getting married to Nathaniel Knight, a paedophile who uses Twitter to discuss how he wants to kidnap and rape children.

Something fishy as a trawler there too. Glinners dive into his life is an eye opener

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/ashton-challenor-the-boy-who-disappeared

[–]our_team_is_winning 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

< attempting to rape a 71-year-old woman in a public toilet >

Women might think one good thing about getting older is at least being off predators' radar at last, but no. I've heard of women over 90 being raped, and can you imagine how much that would hurt? These sick men are monsters and they seek out the most vulnerable, younger and older.

[–]MyLongestJourney 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was banned with a message reading simply "TERF" for shooting down that idea (having single sex bathrooms does not matter) with cited evidence. (A UK study that demonstrated that the majority of sexual assaults take place in "gender neutral" bathrooms.

[–]Beryl 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

"Men can rape you no matter what" isn't a good argument, and you won't be able to convince me otherwise no matter how many layer of woke you wrap it in.

[–]fuck_reddit 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also im pretty sure the point of government is to ensure people in a society can’t do certain things with impunity...

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 18 insightful - 7 fun18 insightful - 6 fun19 insightful - 7 fun -  (3 children)

Show this video to woquistas who can't understand how simply "identifying as a woman" might be problematic.

[–]Franklintheturtle 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the implications of that video are straight up terrifying

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

  • Woquistas: Hold men accountable! Down with male privilege and toxic masculinity! The patriarchy must go!
  • Also woquistas: Except if you don't identify as a man, in which case feel free to disregard all of the above!

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Bookmarked.

[–]8bitgay 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Going by this argument, why even have gendered bathrooms? You're just blocking non-rapist men from entering, while according to them the rapist men can easily just walk in. Might as well make all the bathrooms gender neutral.

I've been invited by female friends to use the female bathroom, as a gay guy. I mean, it's nice they see me as a non-threat, but I don't wanna make things awkward for the other women that will use the same bathroom. Even then, it's not like I'm always 100% comfortable in male bathrooms. Growing up gay for me meant years of being uncomfortable of going to the male bathroom at school, having to share it with homophobic straight classmates. It's not nice being alone and vulnerable in a small space overhearing people next to you saying homophobic slurs.

I remember a popular transwoman influencer from my country telling the story of how once she had to block gay men from entering the female dressing room at the store she works. It was kinda funny to see her telling the story, and how she instantly assumed they were cis gay men, and instantly turned to blaming all cis gay men. They only interacted for a couple minutes and somehow she found out their gender identity and sexuality! What if they were non-binary, or bi, or even transmen? I love how they always say that transmen look exactly like cis men, but whenever something "problematic" happens they always know it's a cis person. They might not admit it, but they know that in the huge majority of cases it's easy to tell if someone is cis or not.

This comment isn't to say that bathrooms should all be gender neutral, or that gay men should be allowed in female bathrooms. It's just to point out the double standard in their arguments.

[–]reluctant_commenter 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I love how they always say that transmen look exactly like cis men, but whenever something "problematic" happens they always know it's a cis person. They might not admit it, but they know that in the huge majority of cases it's easy to tell if someone is cis or not.

Multiple inconsistencies in there, wow. And you're right.

[–]ChodeSandwichtender and moist 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Love it when people make vague threats and try to sound helpless and harmless at the same time. "Why don't you appreciate people like me? You wouldn't even have rights if we didn't agree to them 😤" Skilfully implying that they'll go right back to beating you into your place if you get too uppity without making full-blown reportable threats is Abusive Scumbag 101.

[–]reluctant_commenter 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Why don't you appreciate people like me? You wouldn't even have rights if we didn't agree to them 😤" Skilfully implying that they'll go right back to beating you into your place if you get too uppity without making full-blown reportable threats is Abusive Scumbag 101.

YEP. It's full-on narcissism.

[–]PassionateIntensity 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, he couldn't--he'd get beat up if anyone saw him, and security or the police would be called. Not anymore though, so thanks for increasing sexual assaults you fucking assholes. A man flashing his penis in a woman's locker room is already sexual harassment. This would have got him arrested for indecent exposure or flashing 10 years ago. Now it's "a human right."

[–]oyasuminasai50 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's often not even about "trans women" doing the assaults. It's about letting predatory men into women's spaces - many of whom are cis. Once we get into the territory of gender neutral restrooms/locker rooms, or we get into self ID, then quite literally any man can walk into a women's bathroom and no one will be able to argue that he doesn't belong there. It has nothing to do with transitioning.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The difference is that in a world where males can't go into the women's restroom AT ALL, then people take notice/know he definitely isn't supposed to be in there/believe that you really were assaulted because why else would a man go into the women's restroom? Obviously something's up. Whereas in a world where males ARE allowed to go in, well then there's no issue here so how do we know he's going in there to hurt someone...? How do we know he really did anything? Maybe he just went in there to pee.

[–]Archie 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This, exactly this. This is the crux of the matter.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You can still get someone banned from the building or arrested for going into the wrong public toilets or changing room.

[–]MatthewofHouseGraySuper straight ally :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Are we just going to ignore the part where a man who walks into a woman's restroom without him immediately coming out a place like Walmart isn't going to draw attention? And secondly, I'm sure there's going to be a crowd of people who would run into the woman's restroom if they hear someone who screamed in a way which obviously means they need help.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"NO" is a complete sentence. Get used to it because you're going to hear it a lot.

[–]Eurowoman24 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

nah fam they can literally walk in

[–]MatthewofHouseGraySuper straight ally :) 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

One does not simply "walk" into the woman's restroom.

[–]Eurowoman24 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yeah experienced a dude in a dress walking into a mall bathroom after me man it happens. might draw attention but no one says anything cause they don't want to be called a bigot.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

One does not simply "walk" into the woman's restroom.

Really? As a woman, this is news to me! How does it work in YOUR understanding, then?