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[–][deleted] 31 insightful - 6 fun31 insightful - 5 fun32 insightful - 6 fun -  (8 children)

It's a real shame OP got a DM because she said "male and female" so some TRA just had to message her to correct her usage because some trans people might get triggered.

[–]MatthewofHouseGraySuper straight ally :) 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/kjowy0/comment/ggzc20w?context=1

I got massively down voted due to this post of mine because I dared say the way it is about the gender surgeries.

[–][deleted] 27 insightful - 3 fun27 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Jesus christ..

It's really interesting to see the dissonance between the downvotes and the actual comments. Usually if someone's opinion is truly shitty or unpopular, the comment gets downvoted and the replies are expressing disagreement. With this, there are a ton of replies agreeing with you and the initial (also downvoted) comment.

They can brigade and virtue signal all day but they don't have as many people on their side as they think and they can die mad about it.

[–]MatthewofHouseGraySuper straight ally :) 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

"They can brigade and virtue signal all day but they don't have as many people on their side as they think and they can die mad about it."

In my opinion that's the main reason why transgenders don't splinter off to be in their own group. They know the majority of the "pride" support is being towards the sexuality aspect and both ends of the political spectrum tolerate them at best, so they're just leeching of the sexuality aspect because their own group would never get the amount of support. I live in a rural conservative area and most of the anti-pride hate I hear from people is towards transgenders, not towards sexualities. I can easily make the assumption that a LGB pride group would be accepted by far more people over the current group because people are more tolerant towards mainstream sexualities than what they are towards transgenders and the other newfangled terms which are popping into existence.

[–][deleted] 27 insightful - 3 fun27 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Agreed. Most of the newer distaste for the 'LGBT community' is really a dislike of TRAs and the pronoun patrol. Not to mention the general, visceral aversion people have to being told 'some women have penises' and 'some men have vaginas' and 'if you wont fuck a trans person you're a bigot.' No one's truly buying it. Even the people who do buy it can't commit entirely because the minute they actually see a bepenised 'woman' or a 'boipussy' they recoil instinctively.

TRAs know they cant bully away millions of years of evolution so they leech off the gay rights movement.

[–]bopomofodojo 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not to mention the massive TRA uptick after the legalization of gay marriage in the US. This was absolutely their moment to pounce - acceptance was at an all-time high, and the LGB movement had just won its big victory. It was the perfect time for the deranged, under-surface simmering of TRAs to jump out and abuse the good-will with their "we're the next progressive good, support us!" parade.

It's backfired, spectacularly, no matter how much they try to deny it. And it hurts the LGB community too, in ways that will take years or decades to become clear.

Narcissists ruin everything.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh my God you're right. We were doing well then they had to come along and fuck it up. I hope it won't take long for this trans nonsense to fizzle out. Especially once more people detransition and more LGB people realize how deeply homophobic the whole ideology is.

[–]8bitgay 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Usually if someone's opinion is truly shitty or unpopular, the comment gets downvoted and the replies are expressing disagreement. With this, there are a ton of replies agreeing with you and the initial (also downvoted) comment.

I've noticed that too! The thing is that when people get outraged (especially if the comment get shared in other subs) they'll downvote and move on. So often there will be later replies agreeing with the initial comment that aren't downvoted, because the outraged people aren't coming back to the thread to check new replies.

When the comment is genuinely bad, people who get to the thread later tend to disagree with the initial comment too.

[–]Rosefield 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It's always about trans feelings

[–]MatthewofHouseGraySuper straight ally :) 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I completely agree with you. It's perfectly acceptable to be critical towards President Trump, his team and the Republicans due to their behavior, but it's down right wrong to be critical towards transgenders due to their behavior and the double standards involving them. These double standards would be in the lines of it being acceptable of a lesbian to turn me down due to me being male, but it would be wrong of her to turn me down if I was a MTF transgender despite me still being biological male. We know your sexuality is determined on how your brain developed so you're literally born gay, straight or bisexual and these radicals acknowledge that as well, but they still apply their double standards to that. They expect people to be in relationships with someone who isn't of the biological sex of the sexuality in which they're attracted to.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Reddit is a hive-mind hugbox where dissent is not allowed. Against transgender rights? Opinion not allowed. Against lockdowns? Opinion not allowed. Think that Bernie Sanders is a corporate shill? Opinion not allowed. Oppose the European Union? Opinion not allowed. Defending masculinity? Opinion not allowed. Against the police? Opinion allowed, unless the reason you’re against the police is because the police serve the state and the elites and not the people.

Even the right wing subreddits were echo chambers until they were banned. If you gave an opinion that was critical of the police, critical of wars, critical of a certain country in the Middle East, or critical of politicians like John McCain and Dan Crenshaw, someone on those subreddits would get upset with you. Unless you were on the more dissident subreddits like r / C r i n g e A n a r c h y or r / S m u g g i e s, that are now gone. Reddit is opposed to dissent.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Reddit is opposed to dissent.

Might explain everything, in that one short sentence. It is merely dissent. Not dissent in any particular direction. Plain dissent. I wonder. Reddit has its theme of allowed and not allowed topics... but does the Reddit staff (that matter) actually care what those topics are? Or is it just dissent, period? Is it dissent that looses them money? Do they make more money when everyone has the same opinion? Does having differing opinions on the site cause critical thinking and it is that which looses them money? Critical thinkers are not as susceptible to advertisement, for instance. If the cards had been dealt a random, different way and the whole entire site just happened to be pro Trump... that would be fine? I suspect the answer could very well be yes. Binary thinking, of course, but there could be something to it.

Reddit is a hive-mind hugbox

Oh it most certainly is. I've made a fair number of posts on there arguing for various things, I think using well-reasoned standpoints, logical instruments, etc., and I just don't seem to get any traction. I've had people say to me: "well, you seem to be making sense here, but I'm going to keep my head buried in the sand anyways because it's easy." Short, easy answer that's wrong vs long, hard answer that's right. They want the former. I mean, the site seems to be geared mainly for entertainment. People don't want to think when they want to be entertained. Unless you're one of those sick people who gets entertained by thinking. Well, at least all the fools are congregating in the same place.

If you gave an opinion...

But that's just it. It's not okay to have an opinion that's considered "wrong." (Opinions are sometimes wrong. That's why they're opinions, gosh darn it.) You have to be re-educated, comrade. That involves accusations of bigotry, value judgements about your character, shouting down, "downvotes," doxxing (thankfully infrequent,) etc.

Another phenomena that's obvious but might be worth considering more closely: Reddit's magic internet points--karma. You can't spend it anywhere. It's not worth anything. Yet, there are people on that site just whoring for those things. That's their measure of self-worth. It's a disturbing psychological phenomena to me.

[–]bopomofodojo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wonder. Reddit has its theme of allowed and not allowed topics... but does the Reddit staff (that matter) actually care what those topics are? Or is it just dissent, period? Is it dissent that looses them money? Do they make more money when everyone has the same opinion? Does having differing opinions on the site cause critical thinking and it is that which looses them money?

I think, in the simplest sense, it's about their perception and the money (advertisers).

Reddit has always been a, if not "left wing", at least "socially progressive" site. New Atheism was homepage for a decade, libertarianism was the norm, etc. In that environment, a "wild west" of ideas in a site that loses money and exists for its own sake, dissent is embraced, free-thinking is the norm, and healthy debate can flourish.

Then came the great evil, the advertising money. And Reddit picked its side: the woke "left" (i.e. USA establishment liberalism). The advertisers want a site that will cater to their "lifestyle brand" (i.e. woque liberalism), and Reddit's staff does what it can to enforce that. Thus begins the feedback loop.

I'm a far, far leftist (and an avowed materialist, I dismiss woqueism and postmoderist ideas), but even we are shut out of reddit. StupidPol is one of the few places left to even have a hope of discussing anti-woque ideology from a leftist bent (TumblrInAction is the last place from a right-leaning bent), and it's being invaded and colonized nearly as hard as everywhere else - both by right-wingers who just want to hate the woke, as well as by the influx of pro-woke-but-not-all-the-woke "leftists". Nowhere on the site is safe from the tide: the desire of the "board"/corporation to turn Reddit into another liberal echo chamber, a part of the Silicon Valley club of big tech companies that vye for absolute control of the web.

[–]goatmeal 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they deleted all the comments that disagreed with the concept of identity politics. it's the keystone of the SJW belief system. can't kick that one out or the whole thing falls over.

[–]verystablegenius 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm confused. I thought TRUEoffmychest was a response to sensorship in Offmychest? Is Trueoffmychest now censoring, too?

[–]RippoffOfLoveSStraight | Overuses quotation marks 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I said the exact same thing two months ago!! I believe the only purpose it serves is to give the illusion of open discussion. I think it works until it gets exposed like this.

[–]MatthewofHouseGraySuper straight ally :) 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Looking back at that post I find the amount of people who responded positively to the OP to be amusing. The reason being is despite Reddit banning all the "anti-trans" subs, there was a whole bunch of people who flocked to that post who had a similar mindset and were agreeing with the OP. Reddit may be able to get rid of subs, but this proves that they can't get rid of people's mindsets.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sick to death of people saying that it's okay to have preferences. Sexuality isn't a preference, and even when you're bi, you can't choose to be more attracted to one sex or the other, you just are.

[–]DestructionI ❤️ adult human females 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I really fucking despise it when TRAs peddle that bullshit about bottom surgery like it's * poof * and now you have the genitals of the opposite sex. No, Miss Steve, what you have down there is called an axe wound. Please stop comparing it to a very intricate organ with thousands of nerves that naturally takes years to develop.