Can you pinpoint when nominally gay civil rights organizations stopped caring about LGB causes and became all-TQ+ all the time?

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It was in the background for years, especially after WWII to varying degrees, but I think they dropped the mask right after the legalization of gay marriage in all 50 US states. 5 years later, anyone who stands up for women and gays in a conflict between us and tr-ns activism is made into a non-person. But the push in the media started much, much earlier.

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[–]reluctant_commenter 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This might help answer your question. Multiple LGBTQ-advocacy groups, such as Stonewall, publish annual reports on their activities. These graphs show the frequency with which each letter (L, G, B, or T) was used in successive annual reports, by organization: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/LGBT_figures.shtml

Discussion post we had about it: https://www.saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/6074/oxford_prof_charts_how_the_t_has_taken_over_the/

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Around 2010-2012 years it all started and at around 2015-2016 GLAAD and Stonewall became almost completely TQ+. Same comes with google searches, word queer started replacing words "gay" and "lesbian" starting from around 2010 and peaked above at around 2015.

[–]PassionateIntensity 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't notice it until 2015/16, or I did but thought it was Tumblr-madness confined to teens and didn't realize it was coming from 'serious' orgs like HRC, ACLU, and GLAAD.

[–]JulienMayfair 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of it is about the professionalization of activism and the necessity of having a grievance to complain about. Imagine being a professional LGBT activist right after the marriage victory. How are you going to keep the money coming in to pay your salary? You can bet that these people were thinking about this in advance and knew that their best option was to pivot immediately to TQ+ causes. Their efforts merged with the social media explosion that began around 2008 whereby Tumblr became the major point of dissemination for gender identity theory among teens.

The goal of an activist should always be to put yourself out of a job, but that's not a great career plan.

[–]PassionateIntensity 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

2015.

[–]LeaveAmsgAfterBeep 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The phenomena itself of the TRE’s trying to wedge in and then hijack everything goes back, at least to commonly available and printed evidence that I could find to 1993.

I remember some of the big orgs “transitioning” to trans primary issues ticking upwards in 2007/8 with youth related things first. It got worse in around 2012/13 which is when I personally peaked. It has definitely increased in how rabid it is since 2015 and become a very “big talking point issue” but some well known feminists were either wimpering to the T or had already been terfed once by 2015- at least those somewhat well known to the millennials.

[–]Silverdarling 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I remember doing a school project for my Politics class when I was 14, centred on how homophobic the UK was. This was like 1997. I consulted Stonewall and various other LGB organisations, and reading the collected literature and writing up my project made me feel a lot better about my teenage same-sex attraction. Stonewall's advice was actually useful to me!

A year or so later I could admit to close friends that I was bisexual (in all honesty I had no idea this was an actual "legitimate" sexual orientation until I was like 15 – I'd thought I was just a weirdo failure at being both gay and straight). And so full of youthful confidence and inspired by a desire to meet other LGB teenagers, I was on the cusp of contacting my local LGB groups – only to find these had now all suddenly become "LGBT". This must have been like 1998-9? I immediately researched the "T" and was totally creeped out. And I mean totally. As a 15/16 year old girl I couldn't understand what this T had to do with me or with same sex attraction in general, or why I was assumed to be on board with the "liberation" of whatever mental delusions these unfortunate T people possessed? The T's presence has actually put me off ever joining any LGB groups until very recently, as its aggressive posturing and undermining of the LGB's needs has never sat well with me. My teenage girl instincts were that these Ts were predatory and potentially dangerous males and not to be trusted around girls my age, and I've always held the "LGBT" movement in utter contempt since it chose to prioritise these delusional malcontents over protecting its own youth. But I guess I'm preaching to the choir here.

So in my opinion: the rot all started in the late 90s. It's a very good lesson in red lines and never accepting the thin end of the wedge from the "just be nice" lobby.

[–]cure_osa_disorder[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's about my experience growing up in the American South, and we seem to be the same age. I came out as gay when I was 15, and already once I started going to these groups they had embraced the T full-on.

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    [–]cure_osa_disorder[S] 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    I can't really think of any "trans rights activisim" that actually negatively impacts gays or lesbians.

    Try all of it.

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      [–]Movellon[M] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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      [–]cinnaflo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I feel like it may have happened after gay marriage in the USA was legalized in all 50 states. When it happened, I started seeing comments saying how it was time to focus on trans rights next.

      [–]PriestTheyCalledHimBisexual 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      2010