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Australian state of Victorian creating law that allows their Human Rights Commission to get extraordinary pow­ers to launch investigations into people questioning gender change practices or not affirming people's gender identity

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[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, I might have to learn French or German. Those countries aren’t as PC, or at least aren’t as cucked. I think maybe the Anglosphere is trying to overcompensate for the fact that homosexuality was illegal everywhere where English was the dominant language until 1962 (1993 here in Ireland), whereas France decriminalised it in 1791. I'm aware of the stereotype of French people being rude, but I wonder if it’s because english-speakers cannot tell the difference between being rude and being honest.

What’s it like being gay in France? And how does it compare to being gay in Ireland?

[–]Eurowoman24 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

in regards to the history of France and homosexuality: - 1791 - sodomy decriminalized in the criminal code, but it remains a basically perceived as vulgar act which could lead to criminal problems/complications - some back and forth. Gays are on Nazi hit lists, 1940 re- criminalized by the regime de Vichy - lots of persecution before '82 - august 4 1982 - homosexuality isn't illegal anymore for 15+ -2001 = first gay adoption - 2007 = more back and forth on adoption+marriage, remade it illegal to marry in 2007 2013= gay marriage is legal.

As for what it's like being gay in France, I think it really depends on where you are in the country, from what I know LeMarais in Paris is one of the most accepting areas, Paris would be the best city in general. I observed a gay friend of mine with his boyfriend once and I noticed he didn't hold his hand/showed him very little PDA - some homophobic attacks,street harrassement still happens. The macho mentality is still prevalent, but I believe it's still a taboo mostly because we have a large older population and prevalent conservatism. People can't discriminate based on homosexuality in the work place or anything like that. I'm sure you'll find a fair amount of cunts that fit all the stereotypes, but I'd say most people are pretty welcoming, what makes us look rude is the fact that small talk, and being fake is less popular then in Anglosphere. It really is frank/brutal/harsh honesty, ex: auditioning for a role = anglo- we'll call you, that was great, french = yeah not gonna work out. English-speakers like to be really polite ha. As for being gay in Ireland compared to france? from my short stay it might be better? judging by the general vibe and mentality I saw there. Now being gay in France isn't like being gay in russia, hungary etc. BUT the taboo is still palpable.

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Interesting. I realise France did have some anti-gay laws between 1942 and 1982, but the full decriminalisation was still 11 years before Ireland. But yeah, most people here in Ireland know that homophobia is a bad thing and would not stand for it. Even most Irish people who are against gay marriage support civil unions.

I do prefer France's approach to gender ideology and political correctness. And I also like people to be honest as well. So I guess I could fit in if I learned French and moved to France. When I was in the South of France with my family at the age of 11, I thought the people there were nice. I will never forget the night we went to a restaurant; when the staff learned we only spoke English, they became curious about us. Waiters asked us where we were from, and they said that Ireland was a beautiful country. They also didn’t mind that I was a picky eater, which in hindsight was still embarrassing for an 11-year-old lad. Now that I’m open to eating different foods, I would like to visit France again and try out more of your food. I’m still on the fence about learning French or German, but it does seem that the French are more clued in on gender ideology and will happily rise up against a corrupt government as we’ve seen before. I’ll have to see.

[–]Eurowoman24 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah it's kinda weird, the idea of free speech (links back to the revolution) clashes often with what we're evolving not to say, so I often find that a hyper pc society like Canada often thinks we're ism,phobic, etc. I obviously can't speak from lived experience, but I think most big cities would be ok, I just know Paris has a pretty developped LGBT scene. As for the gender ideologie - it's having a hard time picking up here in comparison for a myriad of reasons - in part because I feel like here you can have a nuanced debate, hold a different opinion and speak your mind more, also the protection of children is taken super seriously. Whereas in other places I find that there's a "you're either on the right side of the political spectrum/debate or your against us/the enemy". (I'd be surprised to see the general public pressuring you to date someone of the opposite sex, you're gay and here we know that's stupid).