Ru Paul bullied into submission by TRAs

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[–]reluctant_commenter 34 insightful - 16 fun34 insightful - 15 fun35 insightful - 16 fun -  (10 children)

Sorry, I'm confused, and I'm not sure whether my confusion is due to gender identity mental gymnastics or my lack of familiarity with drag queens.

This person is:

  • a transman, i.e. bio female

  • entering on Ru Paul's drag show, ostensibly for men to dress up as woman ("womanface")

  • ...so this is a woman, who thinks she is a man, who is dressing up as a woman.

Did I get that right?

[–]reluctant_commenter 36 insightful - 8 fun36 insightful - 7 fun37 insightful - 8 fun -  (5 children)

They also say in the article:

While we often hear about drag queens who identify as trans or non-binary, there’s a significant lack of attention on trans men who perform as women.

edit: Wait wtf. Isn't this possibly the most gender-dysphoria-inducing thing you could do?

Not that this person has gender dysphoria, in any likelihood. Reasonably likely scenario: Pretending to be a gay man because you fetishize gay men, then dressing up in a caricature of womanhood... while being a woman. This is the most galaxy-brain, 2020 thing I've ever heard of, lol.

[–]Criticallacitirc 26 insightful - 4 fun26 insightful - 3 fun27 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Gay men do drag , so being a drag queen validates they are in fact a real honest gay man. 🙄

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 14 insightful - 6 fun14 insightful - 5 fun15 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

Pretending to be a gay man because you fetishize gay men, then dressing up in a caricature of womanhood... while being a woman.

I liked Victor/Victoria (1982)-- a straight woman pretending to be a gay man pretending to be a woman-- better when the comedy was intentional.

[–]cure_osa_disorder 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I hate to break it to you, but Julie Andrews sold us out:

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/03/25/this-new-childrens-show-by-julie-andrews-features-a-non-binary-character/

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

NOOOO! :(

Say it ain't so, Joe Julie!

[–]cure_osa_disorder 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I guess the hills aren't alive anymore since this is the one she chose for her career to die on.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Spot on

[–]reluctant_commenter 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Awesome, thanks. What a time we live in... truly.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Oh so it's like butch lesbian trans women.

[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep! Exactly.

[–]JulienMayfair 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think we know privately that RuPaul thinks this is crazy, but he already got bullied several years ago by TRAs on the issue of trans women performing on Drag Race. RuPaul knows they will destroy his career in a heartbeat if he doesn't submit.

[–]cure_osa_disorder 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So he put his career over what's best for the LGB community. This is what selling out looks like.

[–]our_team_is_winning 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

RuPaul knows they will destroy his career in a heartbeat if he doesn't submit.

He has enough money already I'm sure. He didn't need to do this.

[–]Criticallacitirc 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

"I only wanted the Happy Meal with the boy toy"

How to we go from its okay for boys to play with dolls to this kind of reasoning.

On a side note. I've seen an uptick in drag performers be bio-queens or transmen. Which I don't really understand. Regardless of your views on drag, the point is for a man to create an exaggerated caricature of a woman through makeup & costume. If you're already a woman..like what did you even do to create the illusion ? I've yet to see any bio-drag kings ?

[–]artetolife 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The "bio-queens" I've seen tend to go for the avant-garde alien kind of drag over the stereotypical "woman-face" stuff that gets complained about here (i.e. most RPDR contestants).

[–]turtleduck23 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

i always asked for the boys toy in my happy meal because they were cooler. often times the girls toys were always princesses or pink dollish figures.

[–]8bitgay 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's a great idea though. The muscular masculine gay men who get criticized for it (because toxic masculinity, masc4masc, evil white cis gay men, etc.) should say they're drag kings. "See, I'm not a toxic masc guy, being masculine is just my drag king persona".

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"I only wanted the Happy Meal with the boy toy"

WTF made it a "boy toy"? Did it have a little penis on it or something?

How to we go from its okay for boys to play with dolls to this kind of reasoning.

Or more like "reasoning"... yeah, I'm 100% with ya there: for someone who grew up on Free to Be You & Me 1970s-style anti-genderism, this crap is BEYOND dismaying. How can we be MORE backward about this now than we were a half-century ago???

Regardless of your views on drag, the point is for a man to create an exaggerated caricature of a woman through makeup & costume. If you're already a woman..like what did you even do to create the illusion ?

Yeah-- I always picture a female contestant who shows up looking like she just rolled out of bed (hair unbrushed, face unwashed, in dirty jeans and a raggedy-ass T-shirt) automatically winning first prize for Best Womanness. Kinda like dressing up as a pirate for Halloween when you actually ARE one.

Though this gives me an idea: a Drag Race-esque show where the goal isn't to look like a woman (or rather a caricature of one)... but to instead create a glamorous LOOK that's original, compelling, full of personality, and not tied to sex, sexual orientation, or gender. Anyone-- gay, bi, straight, male, or female-- could enter, and be judged on their imagination, skill, performance, and stage persona. Maybe this could be what "drag" evolves into? Aesthetic expression via makeup etc. that jettisons the traditional (and restrictive/sexist) association with the female gender-role? And thus with women, as well as their characterization as decorative/trivial? Cuz, gotta say: despite never having seen a single episode of RPDR to date... I'd watch the proverbial SHIT outta this.

[–]lavender_menace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I like your idea. Would be a better choice for that man to evolve his show than to lose his integrity like that.

[–]candiedDagon 17 insightful - 7 fun17 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Clown fetish but make it political

[–]Criticallacitirc 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh god. I also just realized that this will push gay transmen front & center. Knowing RPDR they are going to milk this story. Get ready for a huge uptick with all the straight girl drag and queer woke fans to start telling us its transphobic to not like transmen.

[–]cure_osa_disorder 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're basically saying you're a bigot if you don't stick your penis in a transgina and/or settle for a fake penis over a real one. It's basically calling non-het sex bigoted. Yet when gay people turn the tables on them by calling their desires bigoted, we get punished for it.

[–]shveya 12 insightful - 10 fun12 insightful - 9 fun13 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

Transmen in drag always remind me of this cat in a hello kitty costume.

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Those scars always making me feel so uneasy.

[–]CaptainMooseEx-Bathhouse Employee 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of this could have been avoided if Rupaul had just cast Landon Cider for season 3 (and maybe 1 or 2 other lesbian drag kings) so it didn't look like drag was just men dressing up as women.

[–]divingrightintowork 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So - unpopular opinion - I actually respect gotmilk performing in Drag Race, it means the show is consistent at least (drag is a gay man thing and men are anyone who say they're men). Like yes the whole thing is farcical, but this is much more consistent than Carmen Carrera, a woman identified man, performing on Drag Race.

[–]PassionateIntensity 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I laughed. What else can you do? It's so stupid.

[–]Rationalmind 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I am a straight woman with a gay brother so follow this sub for discussion topics.

I watched the episode and was perplexed by Gottmik. I read this article and spotted the hypocrisy.

“When I was a child, I only wanted the Happy Meal with the boy toy, and I only wanted to wear the boy uniform to school.”

Compare to, “I loved feminine things and had feminine articulations.”

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I was just linking this post to a more recent one, you might find that one interesting as well: https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/7513/its_a_clown_clown_clown_clown_world/

[–]Rationalmind 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, I do. Thank you!

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