Now it's transphobic to reject mtfs with neovaginas

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[–]blackrainbow[S] 46 insightful - 1 fun46 insightful - 0 fun47 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

These people are totally delusional (and homophobic), they think that neovags are the same as natural vaginas.

If you aren't into penis, and a girl has a penis, I can understand not being into that, thats aesthetics (though being open to it wouldn't hurt)

Imagine telling this to a gay man or a lesbian woman.

You’re literally saying you would sleep with a cis woman with a vagina, but a trans woman with a vagina and the exact same appearance would not work for you.

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME

Nobody here is going to force anyone to date a trans person. But if a trans person is fully transitioned, and you still reject them on the basis of being trans, then that is transphobic.

"Nobody is going to force anyone do date trans people... But if you do, you're a transphobic piece of shit who deserves to die"

[–]Poppy29252Natal Cat Woman 45 insightful - 3 fun45 insightful - 2 fun46 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Even if it was the same as a vagina, I wouldn't want to sleep with a man because he's still just a man. They can never grasp that point.

I don't care how well a man mimics the appearance of a woman or how genuinely he believes he's a woman. He is a man. I don't want him.

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

exactly, they live in this la la fantasy land and sure whatever have at it...but when they call OTHERS that dont think like they names, are cruel, and mob up against anyone else who thinks unlike them? this is where it a MASSIVE issue. they also get to make up their own science, and deem whatever they want as 'hate speech'. its written in their "law" book. https://www.iglyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/IGLYO_v3-1.pdf

[–]Criticallacitirc 29 insightful - 11 fun29 insightful - 10 fun30 insightful - 11 fun -  (7 children)

The do say that to gay men, that a phalloplasty is indiscernible from a real penis. I just think it doesn't get much traction because anyone who has seen phalloplasty results know that the "penis" is an artistic representation made of flesh play-doh by someone who has never seen a penis in real life.

[–]hellonumpty 18 insightful - 9 fun18 insightful - 8 fun19 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

anyone who has seen phalloplasty results know that the "penis" is an artistic representation made of flesh play-doh

Oh my god, it really does look like that!

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

not to mention studies have been done and uh, the results aint good. here's a study i found from the Urology Journal :

"A total of 32 patients were identified: 22 underwent free radial forearm flap, 5 anterolateral (AN-TERO-LATERAL: : situated or occurring in front and to the side) thigh, 4 anterolateral thigh/free radial forearm flap, and 1 fibular flap phalloplasty. The median age at prosthesis implantation was 36 (range 21-59) years. At first implantation, 16 inflatable and 16 malleable prosthesis were placed. Of these, 5 were removed/replaced because of infection, 2 because of leakage, 2 because of extrusion, 2 because of dislocation, 2 because of dysfunction, and 1 because of pain. The postoperative course was completely uneventful in 10 patients. Of all implanted prostheses, including revision procedures were surgically replaced or removed. Their conclusion: Prosthesis explanation, replacement, or revision surgery occurs frequently after penile prosthesis implantation. Patients need to be well-informed preoperatively on these complication rates."

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

I knew it was bad but not that bad jesus... Do you have a link to that study?

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

yes: https://www.goldjournal.net/article/S0090-4295(19)30543-6/fulltext

its research i did for my podcast.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you!

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

my pleasure :)

[–]chupacabrawitchI'm super thanks for asking 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ban the study then, it doesn't fit their narrative!!

[–]fuck_reddit 33 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 0 fun34 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"(though being open to it wouldn't hurt)" As a gay man, yes, yes it would hurt. If you don't want it, that shit hurts.

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

yeah, isn't that also called RAPE? jesus christ -- it sounds like the start of grooming, coercion "come on baby, you want it!" type shit

[–]fuck_reddit 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I meant "want" as in "really desire" compared to semi-desire. But yes, if someone doesn't want sex, it is rape.

[–]ChodeSandwichtender and moist 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

TBH I think that most of the people who repeat this shit are 100% aware that their chances of even meeting someone with surgical genitals is pretty low so they don't bother looking up what any of them actually look and feel like. It doesn't affect them.

[–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please 36 insightful - 8 fun36 insightful - 7 fun37 insightful - 8 fun -  (2 children)

"Genital preferences". Sure bro. I could honestly give a shit about your genitals, I do care what SEX you are.

You are being rejected because you are NOT of the sex class that the person is attracted to. And hate to further burst your bubble, but rejecting someone for having a mental disorder is also perfectly OK.

[–]RippoffOfLoveSStraight | Overuses quotation marks 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

PREACH! 🙏

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

T E L L clap emojii I T !!

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 31 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 0 fun32 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The fucking delusional arrogance of them all. This really needs to be widely disseminated so sane people can see what we’re up against with these mentally ill assholes.

[–]blackrainbow[S] 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

These people are feeding irrealistic expectations to each other. Imagine undergoing a SRS convinced that you will be like other women and then discover that people rejects you anyway. No wonder the suicide risk increases post op.

[–]Finnegan7921 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

These are deeply disturbed people who think that living a fantasy will magically cure their problems. The fact that they act like the neo-vaginas are the same as natural ones is ridiculous.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't even think a majority believe this anyway. Why do you think that such a large amount of them are promoting girl dick and bussy? It's because they know that it's not like the real thing and they'd rather not go through that if there is the possibility that they can have the trans label and status benefits without any unnecessary operations. This is especially reflected by how lax self-ID laws are. The only ones who have the operations are the ones who seriously believe they're the opposite gender.

[–]SapphicFox 26 insightful - 9 fun26 insightful - 8 fun27 insightful - 9 fun -  (12 children)

They can shout "transphobia!" until they're blue in the face an open wound which promotes mold growth is not a vagina. I'd rather submerge my lower half in a cement mixer than ever go near that and I'm not even a lil' bit sorry about saying that. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Mold growth?! I’ve never heard this. Yikes.

[–]SapphicFox 25 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

'After amplification of the neovaginal DNA extracts with primers that target the ITS2-region of the rRNA cistron of Fungi and size determination of the amplified ITS2 by means of capillary electrophoresis, 6 specimens revealed an amplicon. Three specimens could not be sequenced and the remaining three sequences were identified as molds (resp. Davidiella tassiana, Lycoperdon perlatum and Phaeosphaeria sp.).'

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2695466/

Just after 'table 3' of that link. There's other studies out there about this topic also but basically neo-vagina's dont have the ability to self clean like natural vaginas do so are prone to this kind of fungal growth.

[–]Rosefield 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!! 😱😱😱😱 Ew ew ew

[–]sleepless-dreamer 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

... I cannot accurately represent the face I'm making through emojis.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

When they say "could not be sequenced" does that mean they didn't have the tools to identify the specimens or that the specimens have not been seen before, ie they are totally new kinds of fungi in the neovagina?

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Some very light Googling suggests that this just means the process of sequencing could not be completed because of some sort of issue with the sample. Someone else can elaborate on this if they have time to find a good source.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks!

[–]kwallio 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Usually that means they didn't get enough amplicon to sequence. Could be problems with the pcr reaction or something else, doesn't say anything about the source except that something in the sampling and analysis went wrong.

[–]Rosefield 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Fungi from yuggoth

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Which makes sense, because it'd be one of the only places on one's body to retain moisture in a prolonged fashion unnaturally.

[–]chupacabrawitchI'm super thanks for asking 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well..that's uh disturbing chief

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol, and they are saying "it is the same as real vagina!". While in reality it is really dangerous to go down on them or do any kind of tribing or even do hetero sex with them - it is seems often having some fungi there and microbes, unlike real pussy which is self-cleaning and sterile.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No thanks, not interested in catching an antibiotic-resistant staph infection from some "surgical vagina". It's not the same thing as a real vagina, and never will be. Real vaginas aren't open wounds that harbor infectious bacteria.

[–]HelloMomo 16 insightful - 7 fun16 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

Real vaginas aren't open wounds that harbor infectious bacteria.

...holy shit. Neovaginas are basically everything that men have ever feared about actual vaginas, aren't they?

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 7 insightful - 10 fun7 insightful - 9 fun8 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

LOL they don't have teeth though.

[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Whoa, that's actually a FANTASTIC point. Wow.

Oh my god. Like that totally makes everything make more sense.

Do you think they-- no, what am I saying, of course they have NO idea what vaginas are actually like. Like, that's insane.

[–]SkinnyVanilla 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

They're in there saying "do u think it would be okay to reject a cis woman for such-and-such?"

Dude, YES. It is okay to reject anyone for any reason. Everyone gets to decide who they want to give access to their body. None of your sexual boundaries make you bad or are up for debate with people who aren't you. Not wanting to fuck someone doesn't make you bigoted against them, including not wanting to fuck cis women with whatever cancer history that you think is a gotcha argument. It is okay to reject anyone for any reason.

[–]bastetkat 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Did people just forget that no means no? Seriously, what the hell happened? Is 2020 the year where we praise and encourage incel behaviour now?

[–]greenergardens 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Alas, it's been happening since at least 2018...

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

thank you!!

[–]CuntWorshiperWomenholic full time | vagina fetishist part-time 22 insightful - 4 fun22 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

trans people don't tend to want to sleep with those who see us as lesser.

Unless those are gays and lesbians. Then you want them even when they don’t want you.

[–]oyasuminasai50 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Who cares if it's transphobic or not? The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people have a preference for one type of natural genitals. Period. Doesn't matter if it's transphobic or not at the end of the day. No amount of calling people transphobic is going to get people to be attracted to your genitals. These people will have to accept that sooner or later.

[–]Rosefield 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I will never ever ever touch multilated dick. Also nearly everything is transphobic anyway so it doesn't matter.

[–]PriestTheyCalledHimBisexual 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People with legitimate medical problems suffer and DIE due to lack of medical insurance, but trans people can get butt and breast implants on the government dime?

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now? It always was.

It was "post-op is like real woman, so you as lesbian should love it, but you are just transphobic" for years, I think I've met that for the first time 7 or 8 years ago.

Nowadays it is different, it is "pre-op girldick is feminine and it is transphobic for lesbian to not like girldick".