LGB ErasureSo, even though gender is "fluid," Elliot Page was always a man

submitted by JulienMayfair from (self.LGBDropTheT)

I decided to pay a visit to r/ainbow and saw someone very politely expressing some confusion about Ellen page's transition to Elliot. Of course, the post was downvoted, but a TRA popped up and set the OP straight (pun intended): "Elliot has always been who he is today- he just may not have shared it with the world."

OK, so . . . I guess we're forced to conclude here that Ellen Page, the out & proud lesbian, was either just "confused" or was lying to us. Being trans is, of course, the final stop on the journey, and no one should suggest that, perhaps, Ellen Page was, at some point in her life, a genuine lesbian. There is no development or evolution of personality possible here. Elliot Page was always a man even if he mistakenly believed himself to be a woman -- as, apparently, we all do from time to time.

I assume we all see how illogical and contradictory this all is, in addition to how easy it is for TRAs to erase Ellen Page's lesbianism from history and insist that Elliot Page was already in there somewhere, waiting to emerge. The implications are clear: Trans identity is real; everything else may be discarded as a superficial manifestation of a trans person's journey.

But what if Elliot Page later decides that he is mistaken in being a man and was really a lesbian all along? What are we then to think?

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[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 58 insightful - 10 fun58 insightful - 9 fun59 insightful - 10 fun -  (17 children)

They backwardsly gave first women's award in filming to sisters Wachowski, while they were still men when got the award. Taking all the stuff women deserve just retroactively.

As someone said - this means any president can backtrack and become first female president too if say that "I am now woman" somewhere in the future.

It is so stupid.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 50 insightful - 21 fun50 insightful - 20 fun51 insightful - 21 fun -  (6 children)

I wish trump would do this and watch libfem heads explode lol

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I actually hope he does. Liberals would go from "Orange Man Bad" to "Orange Woman Embarrassment to Queer Women". Or "Yas Orange Queen, Slay!"

[–]insta 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No they wouldn't. They'd denounce it as transphobic and hateful then do everything they can to avoid explaining why.

They do this all the time.

[–]DestructionI ❤️ adult human females 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"you are whatever you say you are unless we don't like you"

[–]insta 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I just hate this notion of "Oh, we just have to play this word game and then they'll look like fools".

No! This doesn't matter! You can't use their word games against them! They simply drop the rules whenever it doesn't benefit them. It's so obvious and they do it all the time. You're not going to win the argument on some technicality. They'll just denounce you, slander you, and gaslight the whole conversation and move on.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 22 insightful - 5 fun22 insightful - 4 fun23 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

I unironically have thought this. It would peak everyone in a single instant.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It is definitely a fashionable attention-seeking maneuver, and he loves those. It would make 2020 complete. I vote yes.

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Ah yes, the Wachowskis. They made that abomination called Sense8. Tried watching it back when I was liberal. Even then I could not get past the second episode. It was so cringey.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think sense 8 had a great consept for a series and ruined it with the final episode. Of course the trans character really ruined the immersion with the gratuitous strap-on sex scene then how they showed their parent to be a loving whose only crime was refusing to see gender issues over sex for religious reasons. But with that they really demonized the relationship. Then they had their magical hacking power which somehow TRANSFERRED to the GF who wasn't part of the 8. Literally they made it like dating the MtF hacker could give the regular "lesbian" their super power.

That single character managed to ruin the plot of the show but if you suspend disbelief of that 1character they ruin it with the end. People tried to get me to watch season 2 and I was like hell no. Then it got cancelled and people were so surprised for some reason.

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I agree that Sense8 had a great concept, but the implementation was plain wrong. Woke characters are annoying and woke storylines are not entertaining at all. So of course the show got cancelled. Deservedly so, in my opinion. The same men who made this show made the Matrix, so they obviously didn’t become woke until recently.

[–]CuntWorshiperWomenholic full time | vagina fetishist part-time 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Same. That show pissed me off even when I was woke. I knew who the Wachowskis were, for me is rare to know directors bc I don’t care about cinema but I knew who they were so it was pretty clear the show was a woke fantasy world. Representation to all: Blacks, Whites, Asians, Indians, woman dating two blokes at once, the gays who are the het woman’s pet, the strong woman, gays, bisexuals, trans, literally everyone but lesbians, not even one lesbian. I was hardcore woke when I watched sense8 but even back then I thought that such SJWs like Wachowskis didn’t simply forgot the lesbian, they did it on purpose. 😒

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Why am I not surprised about the Wachowskis leaving out the lesbians? There is the trans woman who they pass as a lesbian, which obviously isn’t true. Anyway, I found all of the main eight characters to be annoying. Let me go over them for some humour:

The American trans woman. He would have avoided every problem he had if he just wore a helmet. Also, I find it odd that his mother was able to prevent his bisexual girlfriend from seeing him in the hospital, because the trans woman could just demand that the hospital let his girlfriend in to see him and the hospital would comply. I know there are cases of people not being allowed to see their same-sex partners in hospital, which gave rise to the gay marriage movement, but this was set in San Fransisco in the New Tens.

The American police officer, who is not like the other police officers. Give me a break. I love how he makes a point to rescue a black kid - good on him, because police officers are supposed to rescue people in need irrespective of race, ethnicity or whatever, but the storyline was written in a way to virtue signal how woke the cop was.

The Icelandic woman running away from her problems and screwing up constantly. Okay then?

The South Korean woman who runs a company and gets screwed over by her brother. She goes to prison because she willingly took the blame for her brother’s crimes, when all she had to do was just do nothing and let him go to prison.

The German fella with daddy issues. The scene where he pisses on his father’s grave lacks subtlety. Poor writing. Plus, he’s a thief. He should have sought therapy.

The Mexican gay actor is the worst. “Oh woe is me”’. Dude, you choose to be an actor. And why the fuck does he let this woman objectify him and his boyfriend. He should have told her to piss off and then his problems would be over.

The Kenyan fella and the Indian woman didn’t annoy me, but they were boring. So I didn’t care for them. No wonder that show sucked so much.

[–]CuntWorshiperWomenholic full time | vagina fetishist part-time 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

He would have avoided every problem he had if he just wore a helmet.

Mate 😂😂😂😂😂 you crack me up.

Lesbians rarely have representation, it has always been like this so whatever. What actually get under my skin is that now, we’re becoming so “progressive” that the rare moments “lesbians” have representation we’re represented by... heterosexual men?

Same thing happened in Euphoria. The “lesbian” couple is a heterosexual couple. You don’t see it done to gays and there’s a reason for it, it isn’t coincidence. Women are always left behind in the woke LGBTabcLetterSoup. You can tell by the fact that not only there’s no lesbian in sense8, there’s also no transman. Transmen are generally left behind while transwomen are everywhere in the mainstream media. Exactly like lesbians are generally left behind while gays are everywhere in the mainstream media. I wonder why... what is it that transwomen and gays have in common? What is it that transmen and lesbians have in common? 😏🤭

Also, so many uncomfortable scenes for me:

The unnecessary orgy scenes (because of course, deep down everyone is bi).

The bisexual’s white mother had three black men... that scene. Was that supposed to remained us? porn? It worked, I could not think of anything else.

The scenes where the straight woman lay in the gay couple’s bed, the boys get all uncomfortable, I got all uncomfortable.

The German’s parents were daughter and father!? ... of course, they could not forget incest.

At this point is quite clear that most of the ideas come from pornhub. Unsurprising considering that it was wrote by, mmm... transwomen. lol

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I don’t know exactly why lesbians get ignored by mainstream society when it comes to LGBT representation, but I do have some theories:

  1. Most writers are men.
  2. The LGBT community has gone out of its way to pander to straight women, so gay men got more attention than lesbians as straight women find guy-on-guy hot. It’s also why bisexual women got more attention than lesbians.
  3. Gay men have historically faced more prosecution and violence for being homosexual than lesbians. Former British colonies and former soviet countries used to criminalise male homosexuality but never female homosexuality. Now, lesbians were locked up in convents Magdalene laundries, or simply bullied by their families, but this has also happened to straight women who were too sexual or too disobedient. So there was a perception that the gay rights movement mostly applied to gay men. Not to mention the fact that anal sex comes to mind when homophobes think of homosexuality, even though this applies only to male homosexuality.

Those are just my theories.

Yes, those sex scenes on that show disgusted me. Woke shows insist that everyone is a little bit bisexual. The writers say that all of the characters are pansexual, whatever that word means. And it’s not just Sense8 that does it. In the Trailer Park Boys, Jim Lahey was gay, then after the show was bought by Netflix they made him bisexual.

The transsexual’s introductory scene was him getting pegged by his girlfriend. Not to mention the Mexican fag hag who entered the gay man’s house uninvited and just decided to lay in bed between two gay men. And took photos of them sleeping together. Because she’s into Yaoi. Creepy. And all these porn references... The show’s writers are coomers. Look, it’s okay to watch porn if the actors were all consenting adults, but if you watch too much porn, it messes you up. Obviously, the Wachowski brothers have watched too much porn.

[–]CuntWorshiperWomenholic full time | vagina fetishist part-time 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I was being sarcastic, i know why lesbians (in comparison to gays) and transmen (In comparison to transwomen) are generally ignored, because we’re women and this is a men’s world.

Gay men have historically faced more prosecution and violence for being homosexual than lesbians. Former British colonies and former soviet countries used to criminalise male homosexuality but never female homosexuality.

That’s true and that’s mostly because women’s sexuality were always downplayed, women weren’t even considered really homosexual to begin with. There are still countries in which male homosexuality is criminalized and female’s? “Non-existing“. It isn’t coincidence that those are the same countries in which women, straight or otherwise, are castrated — FGM. Women were persecuted and stigmatized for being women much more than for being homosexual. Women never have lost much because of homosexuality because they didn’t had much to lose in the first place.

Trailer Park Boys, Jim Lahey was gay, then after the show was bought by Netflix they made him bisexual.

I gladly don’t even know what show is this. My condolences, anything may be good until is bought by Netflix lol. I don’t even bother with netflix anymore, every show there is soft porn, and if I want to watch porn, I have better resources than netflix.

The transsexual’s introductory scene was him getting pegged by his girlfriend. Not to mention the Mexican fag hag who entered the gay man’s house uninvited and just decided to lay in bed between two gay men. And took photos of them sleeping together. Because she’s into Yaoi.

Don’t those things makes you think about how would people react if the opposite was done? Exemple: I can imagine that if the sense8 (gays couple, straight woman) situation was instead of a gay, a lesbian couple being objectified by a straight man, carried by the directors in a way that is supposed to be “cute and funny” like they do to the gay couple, it probably would be very poorly received by the mass, and rightly so. So what is it that don’t click and keep people from see that the couple is being objectified? And if they see that the couple is being objectified, why don’t they have a problem with it? I had this conversation with a friend of mine irl, and he simply can see that the couple is objectified, he told me I was overthinking and the straight woman love Nico and was just being supportive; he’s opinion is unanimous among all our friends who watched the show, which don’t surprise me given that the straight woman IS painted as a ally, their friendship is so genuine, she’s so open minded that she don’t even mind that the Mexican boy is gay, how great she is. The direction try to force this narrative so the objectification is justified.

I would not mind see objectification of gays and lesbians on tv show and movies if it wasn’t portrayed as a good or neutral thing. The objectification is real, many of us do experience it, in different ways and levels but most of us have lived it or seen it. I don’t go against reality being portrayed on entertainment, I think is through reality that we can immerse and relate to fictional characters, but how reality is portrayed matter.

Anyways I admit I’m probably over critical cause I’m butthurt because the time I wasted watching that shitshow is time I’ll never get back.

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Netflix sucks. They hadn’t messed up The Witcher or Tiger King, though. Then again, Tiger King is a documentary and Polish production companies did most of the work for The Witcher, so they were able to stand up to Netflix. I’m thinking of getting Amazon Prime. Is it any good?

I’ve wasted my life on things as well. I feel your pain. That plot line with the Mexican Fujoshi was one of the main reasons why I stopped watching that show.

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

not even one lesbian.

There are lesbians in one early episode, and they are portrayed as transphobic enemies of Nomi, the trans character. It's clearly the Wachowskis taking a shot at lesbians they consider terfs.

I also loved how Nomi's sister says that their dad warned her that she shouldn't invite Nomi to her wedding because Nomi would make it "all about her," and then, what do you know -- Nomi does actually end up making her sister's wedding all about her.

[–]ravenclaww 41 insightful - 8 fun41 insightful - 7 fun42 insightful - 8 fun -  (4 children)

If we acknowledge that Ellen Page had always been a man, it means that Elliot was a straight guy who was taking roles from women this entire time. That's bad optics, of course, so there's an additional "they" pronoun and a ~qweer~ label, so Elliot Page wouldn't be included when straight white men are criticized. (The TRAs would probably go, "We're talking about CIS men", but I thought TMAM?)

[–]Ladis_Wascheharuum 36 insightful - 3 fun36 insightful - 2 fun37 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

but I thought TMAM

They're "real men" when it benefits them, and "trans" when it benefits them.

Just like trans women are always "trans" when they're victims of a crime, but "women" when they're the perpetrators.

[–]reluctant_commenter 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just like trans women are always "trans" when they're victims of a crime, but "women" when they're the perpetrators.

Damn, that's a great observation. So many ways of deflection!

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Comedian and social critic Andrew Doyle pointed out in a video that gender theory is absolutely rife with all sorts of logical contradictions, but the solution of its adherents is to dismiss those contradictions as irrelevant. If you point them out, they simply denounce you as a transphobe.

[–]8bitgay 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

but the solution of its adherents is to dismiss those contradictions as irrelevant.

Gosh, yeah. Been there. You point out that something the person just said contradicts what they said few hours earlier, and then suddenly they pretend these contradictions don't matter.

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But what if Elliot Page later decides that he is mistaken in being a man and was really a lesbian all along? What are we then to think?

If that were to happen, Ellen Page would be chased out of whatever city she lives in (presumably LA?) by an angry mob. She would have to move to some Eastern European country which has some moderate level of LGB rights like Croatia or Greece and enter into a civil partnership with a local woman so she could get citizenship and stay in that country. She would get countless death threats and rape threats from TRAs. She would probably get arrested if she set foot in Canada. She would never be able to get an acting gig again because she’d get blacklisted, unless she can learn a new language. It’s over for Ellen Page. When they say we will never see her name in the credits of a movie again, they really mean it.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 23 insightful - 17 fun23 insightful - 16 fun24 insightful - 17 fun -  (4 children)

I'm beginning to see the light. I've been living a lie for 30+ years, thinking that I am a gay man and telling everybody that. I now understand that I am really a woman. So is my husband wife. I am relieved to have finally discovered the truth that I am a lesbian.

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🤣🤣🤣

[–]cure_osa_disorder 10 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

But if you're a lesbian, then you're still a man. BUSTED!

[–]diapason 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Welcome to 2020: where straight men are lesbians and lesbians are straight men!

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Shit.

[–][deleted] 25 insightful - 6 fun25 insightful - 5 fun26 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

And if "he" changes his mind and goes back to being Ellen, what then? Was she always a woman & an evil bigot who lied about being trans?

And does this mean that people like me could secretly have been a woman all along, and that even we ourselves don't know it? If trans have always been the sex they identify as, but also can't always accurately tell what that is, and nobody can predict the future... then is it possible I might be a woman right now and just don't know?!

[–]Femaleisnthateful 29 insightful - 10 fun29 insightful - 9 fun30 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

This is Schroedinger's Trans: the state of being simultaneous trans and not trans, depending on the observed effect of detransitioning (or not) at some point in the future.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 27 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Page probably tacked on the "non-binary" in front of "trans" so even if she's detransitioned back to "Ellen" she can still be special and keep the non-binary claim.

Also as a side note...I don't care that she changed her name from Ellen to Elliot. Personally, I hate my own name for reasons(cultural & religion), so I don't mind calling her Elliot(isn't that name unisex anyways?), but I won't call her a "he", because she's a woman.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

For me it looks like it was forced, she did not became any happier after announcing, unlike when she came out as lesbian. When she came out as lesbian, she received a lot of hate, including from co-workers, as "she can't be cast as straight anymore", but bravely and happily went against the tide. Now everyone is praising her, but she still very unhappy. Her wife was always very woke, and after marriage Page seems to became much less happy and more nervous. Maybe her wife was pushing her that "you are a man" all the time, and becoming "queer" instead of "man" was her way to play along, but not completely? I've checked her lesbian came out speech, it was all about herself, while in this current trans came out speech, it is all about others and some generic lines about transphobic violence.

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Oh damn, that's depressing...That would really suck if her wife pushed her into being a trans man.

Really, REALLY, REALLY hoping she doesn't go off the far end or listen to everything the TQ+ says in order to be an "ally" or a "progressive" and "good".

She's a good actress and seems chill/interesting from what I gathered about her.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It has no factual evidence, just observation, and fact that her wife always was woke and very masculine. If she will came out too at one, point, than it is clearly her influence.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was just looking at this article: Elliot Page’s wife Emma Portner refuses to address her own gender identity and sexuality

‘My gender identity, pronouns, and sexuality are private and not up for debate,’ Emma wrote. ‘Would love for the energy in discussion over my identity to shift into addressing the climate crisis or sharing resources to support LGBTQIA2+ resiliency instead.’

and

Emma did, however, share loving words for Elliot shortly after his announcement.

‘I am so proud of @elliotpage,’ the dancer wrote on Instagram. ‘Trans, queer and non-binary people are a gift to this world.

Those quotes reminded me just now of what you said---When Page came out as lesbian, it was about herself and she was happy. When she came out as trans, she's retorting the same stuff her wife Emma is saying about her. It just sounds so...off.

Even if it's not factual, I think you're onto something. I feel bad for Page now...

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I also get the impression that Emma Portner, Page's wife, has a lot to do with it. When they appear together, Portner seems very controlling.

[–]fuck_reddit 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ah yes, Ellen Page, was a transgender man when she was born in 1987. Many years (potentially decades) before most of "concepts" surrounding transgenderism arrived on the scene...

[–]bopomofodojo 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I mean, they tried doing it to Joan d'Arc, Mulan, and Hatshepsut, so 1987 is practically yesterday to them.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 25 insightful - 10 fun25 insightful - 9 fun26 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

As someone said about how transactivists think - "no great woman ever existed, greatness is men's gender prerogative, and if there was one great woman, she must have been a man".

[–]fuck_reddit 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oof good point... historical examples especially piss me off... like these are probably the same people that will b*itch about cultural appropriation then curse you out for daring to suggest that an old, Chinese story is about a woman...

[–]cure_osa_disorder 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Then Maude (the Bea Arthur character from TV) was obviously a T*RF because of the theme song lyrics:

"Joan of Arc, with the Lord to guide her,

She was a sister who really cooked!"

That's three m-sg-nd-r-ngs for the price of one!

[–]chazzstrong 15 insightful - 8 fun15 insightful - 7 fun16 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

Thankfully I'm bi, so I can continue to be attracted to 'Elliot' with no harm done.

/s with everything I have left in me.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 12 insightful - 11 fun12 insightful - 10 fun13 insightful - 11 fun -  (0 children)

what if Elliot Page later decides that he is mistaken in being a man and was really a lesbian all along?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

[–]worried19 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Is Page even claiming to be a man? The only words found in the coming out letter are "trans" and "queer."

"They" being acceptable as a pronoun makes me think Page intended to come out as non-binary or some unspecified flavor of trans instead. I could be wrong, but I doubt that Page is aiming for full (or even partial) medical transition.

[–]PassionateIntensity 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As far as I can tell, she isn't doing any transitioning. There was a pic on Twitter I think was post-announcement-- carrying wood chips. She had long hair, jogging pants and a hoodie, looking exactly as female as she always has.

[–]worried19 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's only been a week, so it may not be apparent yet even if Page is taking testosterone.

I don't think Page would, though. It would seriously impact Page's acting career. By the way, I hate how stilted everything sounds trying to avoid pronouns.

[–]MyLongestJourney 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah,post modernist theory does not give a shit about contradictions.Those are at least unpalatable in true philosophy and unacceptable in science,but not to political ideologies.Because this is what post modernist "philosophy" is.A political ideology which aims to secure power to the "oppressed".

[–]jazzik 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If Ellen Page is a man now, that means she was a man before. Since she likes women, that means she has been an heterosexual man the whole time. So she has been an heterosexual white male the whole time, a creepy male that cross-dressed to con a lesbian into sex, concealing her true identity and even lying to directors to get roles as an actress. Nasty stuff, very nasty stuff.