Is this what woke homophobia looks like 😓

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[–]reluctant_commenter 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Just so you know, we have had a couple of lists going before! Here's my list:

https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/60sj/why_do_you_want_to_drop_the_t/nkjx

Copied:

  • Homophobia.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Sgz9aR2BxPH4JgqA7

https://lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receipts/

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOwetuUmIgGwmTmu9rcxDdWeOMbKpckEyvqpT49pz2yemZYS3rNYqH16pZc5IuLcQ?fbclid=IwAR1fy1NEsXmMrkiGvgbFy-vXhiMaL2g6ahSl4hPKR3PKAy6QfuIA8qhpLPo&key=VVlEX21sNXAzVEprMGZmWmNqd3RPc1RiN095STdn

https://terfisaslur.com/

  • Modern transgender ideology is a belief system filled with inconsistencies.

https://www.womenarehuman.com/transparadoxes-self-contradictions-of-the-gender-identity-movement/

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thank you for compiling this. I do maintain that we need those sources to be located outside of google photos because of the security concerns. But I am far from a tech person so I don't know who created the source and what the best alternatives are.

I didn't see the transparadox resource until recently, and it's great. The contradictions are seemingly endless. I think my gateway transparadox was thinking "is this a freaking medical condition or not?" Like you're saying if people don't get medical intervention in the form of hormone blockers, exogenous hormones, and various surgeries, they will commit suicide, but this isn't a medical issue? And doctors shouldn't be allowed to do anything but affirm, administer drugs, and perform surgery? And then on top of that, still only self-ID is needed? If they need all these procedures or else they'll commit suicide, why is self-ID the standard and not getting those procedures ? Like are these medical interventions necessary or not and, if so, how are they not medical? Yea, anyway, that spirals into so many more paradoxes.

I would like there to be a similar source, which is something to the effect of "false gotchas." Like things they point to as examples for one thing, but are really indicative of something else entirely (and often something distasteful or sinister). This isn't a great example, but in response to the GC argument that transgenderism doesn't challenge gender stereotypes but is premised on gender stereotypes and in effect reinforces them (i.e. if you are female and don't comport with X Y Z stereotypes for women, that means you're not a woman or accepting an individual female's lack of identification with womanhood based on failure to comport with those stereotypes as a valid basis for her to not be considered a woman), and pointing to opportunists who have no intention of "passing" as examples where this is not the case (e.g., the insulting "butch transbian" concept).

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Of course, no problem!! I totally agree that Google Photos is not the best way to save and display these. I am also concerned about security issues and anyway, I don't even know who's hosting those links.

I didn't see the transparadox resource until recently, and it's great. The contradictions are seemingly endless.

Right?! I think that one is actually my favorite, especially for asking pretending-I'm-dumb questions to TRAs. People never have a good answer, lol.

Like you're saying if people don't get medical intervention in the form of hormone blockers, exogenous hormones, and various surgeries, they will commit suicide, but this isn't a medical issue? And doctors shouldn't be allowed to do anything but affirm, administer drugs, and perform surgery? And then on top of that, still only self-ID is needed?

YUP.

Your idea of "false gotchas" is a great one. E.g. "what about intersex people?! The existence of intersex people means that trans people are real!" is probably a good one. Same lines: "There are some people who don't have XX or XY chromosomes, therefore gender is complicated!" when they also say that gender != sex... lol.

Maybe this is something I should message the mods about for input, but I would love a more permanent place to share some of these resources-- links, statistics, etc. We really have a pretty good collection going over the course of the past several months just from posts in this sub, but I keep sharing resources in one-off conversations with individuals. It would be nice if we could have a link to some of these on the sidebar, or something. Do you have any ideas for increasing visibility of these sorts of links and resources?

edit: I could think of categories like:

  • arguments TRAs make ("transparadoxes" and your "false gotchas" list idea)

  • homophobic pro-transgender comments (the 4 links I shared, for example)

  • news articles about transing children / homophobic motivations for transgender medical interventions (links we could easily share with friends and family, like this: https://archive.is/zy6PA)

  • research studies and statistics that illuminate some of the red flags of trans medicalization (e.g. super high rates of autism spectrum disorder, PDs, anxiety disorders, etc. but no screening for them when people show up to get puberty blockers)

We do have a little organization of this stuff already, with tags on posts, but many posts are not tagged and many people don't think to sort by tags, anyway.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you have any ideas for increasing visibility of these sorts of links and resources?

Someone with a background in marketing would have a better idea. Actually my best friend is in marketing and she can be rather blasé about misinformation campaigns/Cambridge Analytica type things because she’s like “yea that’s what marketing is.” She’s terven thankfully. She and her bf peaked through me because as I was peaking, I was sharing with her all of the stuff I was learning as I was learning it and developing my thinking. So I should check with her on some of this.

I have also thought that it would be helpful if we had a poll that where we can, anonymously to the extent we need to, enter the fields we work in, so that we can understand where our expertise lies. We all have different strengths we can bring to the table and we are each best suited to put together materials based in our own areas of expertise. I wouldn’t have peaked or learned what sources I could trust/distrust on these issues until I had enough personal knowledge that I could tell who was lying (“Nobody is saying/doing X” when I had experienced countless examples). So scary to have so little scrutiny (or knowing lies) at what are supposed to be the highest levels of journalism.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So I should check with her on some of this.

Sounds good. I might try to find some examples of well-organized resource lists on Reddit subs, that we could model after.

I have also thought that it would be helpful if we had a poll that where we can, anonymously to the extent we need to, enter the fields we work in, so that we can understand where our expertise lies. We all have different strengths we can bring to the table and we are each best suited to put together materials based in our own areas of expertise.

That sounds like a fantastic idea!! I think if we had a poll like that, people would be interested. If we're concerned about anonymity, I know PeakingPeachEater is into cybersecurity, maybe she would have some tips...

[–]zerosis 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you for this!!

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course, no prob :) if you know of any other ones feel free to let me know!

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This makes for some depressing reading, but important that these are collated, because they just want to pee in peace, after all.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is so fucking disgusting