Whaat the actual fuck. I am so tired of this

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[–]Mermer[S] 51 insightful - 3 fun51 insightful - 2 fun52 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Will the world ever be sane? This is the comment on "Elliot" Page coming out

Also, kinda unrelated, there's this really cool youtuber "Negative Legend" and I adored him for being very non-comforming. Just your every day "feminine" guy who fucking owns it and does it flawlessly. Or so I thought. Newest video and what do I see? A fucking "non-binary" sticker. I've lost hope.

I'm very sad and tired of the bullshit. LET MEN BE MEN AND WOMEN BE WOMEN.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 36 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 0 fun37 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Like for real... We're getting backwards all over again...

[–]8bitgay 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I feel sad for guys like him. I was a kinda feminine teenager, and guys like us often get bullied or isolated by our straight masculine peers. Many of us look into gay communities for comfort. Except gay spaces are now all LGBTQ+ spaces. It never happened to me, but I imagine it can be easy to identify as a label like non-binary when you see guys that look like you using this label, while at the same time you're distancing yourself from the male label that is associated with the people that bullied you.

In the end of the day, both traditional homophobia and woke homophobia work together.

[–]SkinnyVanilla 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Every so often I wonder if I'm exaggerating how much LGBTQ+ spaces are all just trans. Like, the other day. But, I took myself over to /r/LGBT, and god, it really is. No gays at all, just "look at my hormonally altered body" and "Look at my trans flags".

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For what it's worth, I've seen a lot of people get confused between "nonbinary" and "gender nonconforming", as well as people who casually call themselves "nonbinary" for clout, acceptance, or because they were bullied into it.

I used to refer to myself as "genderqueer" - what "nonbinary" used to be called when it first started being a thing - because I was told that it meant a gender nonconforming person. Fortunately someone corrected me pretty quick, but still. "Nonbinary" is a ridiculous concept because it's impossible for humans to be neither sex, so I think many of us first thought it had to do with gender roles at first.

Anyway, my point is, just because someone calls themself nonbinary doesn't necessarily mean they're a Kool-Aid drinking moron - they may just be mistaken or it may be something they were heavily pressured into. In my experience especially, "nonbinary" people don't seem to keep that label for very long.

[–]chupacabrawitchI'm super thanks for asking 31 insightful - 14 fun31 insightful - 13 fun32 insightful - 14 fun -  (15 children)

I'm a lesbian, you're a lesbian, he's a lesbian, she's a lesbian, we are all lesbians! Anyone can be one step right up come get your lesbian

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

wait, thats SooOoO yesterday, the kewl new thing lesbian thing is "i'm now a male, you're a male, she's a male, we're all male now!"...thats very hip currently. /s

[–]chupacabrawitchI'm super thanks for asking 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

I identify as a pumpkinseed now check your privilege

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

there are kids identifying as trees and cotton candy....lord help us...someone anyone?

[–]chupacabrawitchI'm super thanks for asking 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fr... Sometimes I think its a joke but there's some serious weirdos out there...

[–]FrenchiePup 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

I'm not, I'm gay, I've experienced with women but, besides the cuteness of the female orgasm, it was globally meh.

But to each his own.

[–]CuntWorshiperWomenholic full time | vagina fetishist part-time 11 insightful - 9 fun11 insightful - 8 fun12 insightful - 9 fun -  (9 children)

Cuteness of female orgasm

Wtf lol

[–]FrenchiePup 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

Sue me.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 12 insightful - 8 fun12 insightful - 7 fun13 insightful - 8 fun -  (7 children)

I would bet you were one of the men convinced they made a woman come...

[–]FrenchiePup 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (6 children)

Since she squirted all over the fucking place while yelling "Oh shiiiittt!!!", I would think so.

Maybe she was faking the squirting.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Squirting is pee, bro

[–]FrenchiePup 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

What's your point?

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Point is you watch too much porn

[–][deleted] 35 insightful - 2 fun35 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Do they think lesbian is a fun label?

[–]blackrainbow 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a hobby for them

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's like bedazling things with rhinestones, anyone who wants to get involved can because it's trendy and fun

[–]ChodeSandwichtender and moist 34 insightful - 2 fun34 insightful - 1 fun35 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Tweenagers should be building their future 3 AM cringe memories on fanfiction and fashion choices, not this. 😕 Even if someone magically deleted every single predator, enabler and corporate interest that circles trans issues, it's just not healthy to make a hobby out of examining exactly what flavor of alienated you feel from your body.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 26 insightful - 7 fun26 insightful - 6 fun27 insightful - 7 fun -  (4 children)

This is so stupid. I'm a bit ticked off that they used "useful lesbian" too. Fuck that. Useful idiot more like it.

[–]reluctant_commenter 17 insightful - 8 fun17 insightful - 7 fun18 insightful - 8 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah, you're the real OG useful lesbian! :)

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 14 insightful - 7 fun14 insightful - 6 fun15 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks! I'm glad my grumpy ranting is useful sometimes XD

[–]reluctant_commenter 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Hell yeah it is! Keep it up haha.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Don't you understand? The only time a lesbian is useful is if she (or he) has a dick, is not a woman, or is sexually attracted to men. /s

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 23 insightful - 5 fun23 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Homosexual females who call themselves non-binary lesbians are are a hoot because they don’t seem to realize that they are openly admitting that sex not “gender identity” is the only thing relevant to sexual orientation. Keep it up, ladies!

[–]PassionateIntensity 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I know this won't happen because the media are sycophantic cowards -- but I need someone to ask Page if she was LYING about being a lesbian. If she's telling the truth now, either she was lying then, confused, or sexual orientation can change. None of those answers are acceptable.

[–]8bitgay 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Giving them the benefit of the doubt, many people identify as bi before moving on to identify as gay/lesbian. This is because finding out your sexuality isn't always an easy process, and might involve a lot of internal work. So, in theory, I can understand why someone who is a straight transman would identify as lesbian in the process of accepting himself as trans.

That being said... There's a lot to unravel here. In Page's post there wasn't a single mention to formerly identifying as lesbian/gay. It isn't worth even a quick acknowledgment. In a coming out post about being trans, Page managed to also mention racial and geopolitical issues, but sexuality wasn't worth a nod - even though we're always being told that the LGBTQ+ community must stand in union.

I also think there's a large difference between a regular person claiming to be bi in his personal life in the process of accepting himself as gay, and a public person boldly saying to the world she's lesbian with all assurance of it and then claiming the lesbian community and the lesbian cause as her own. I wonder how many homophobes ever asked her if she was sure she was really lesbian. Well, according to Page they were right.

Lastly, going back to the bisexuality point. I've often seen a criticism from the LGBTQ+ community that bisexuality is not a phase before coming out as gay/lesbian. And while I agree with that, it doesn't deny that many people first claim to be bi before accepting themselves as homo. But to the TQ+ this is biphobic, and media that depict characters this way is also biphobic. So there's obviously a double standard in the way people reacted to Page.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it doesn't deny that many people first claim to be bi before accepting themselves as homo

I can relate to that. Long before I ever told a single soul, I was in denial about my sexuality because I simply didn't understand it or know much about homosexuality at the time. I went from a rediculous 12 year old's idea of "I'm straight and I'll get a wife one day, I just really like looking at unclothed men" to "I'm bisexual" before finally acknowledging my homosexuality years later. I never was actually bisexual, but falsely identifying as such was a step in my acceptance of myself. As long as homosexuals do grow out of identifying as bisexual before too long, I don't think there is much problem with it, but I'm not qualified to speak on the ramifications of that kind of thing.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No, it looks like she's in a really bad state in her life and a victim of abuse. This all reads way more as a mental health breakdown than a selfish publicity stunt. She sounds miserable. Read her letter, watch her in videos over the last year or two, and then watch her coming out as a lesbian video. It's night and day.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

She said she suffer from anxiety. As someone who has suffered from anxiety disorder and OCD since she were a child (and has had a devasting effect on my life). Mental health make you do the most stupid shit, especially if you don't have supporting people there holding you and keeping you sane.

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am here~

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You've been my medicine, amore

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

can you link the coming out video? :{ i totally believe you

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It’s in my comment history from yesterday.

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

thank you

[–]RippoffOfLoveSStraight | Overuses quotation marks 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Imagine being so privileged that you can literally decide if you're a "lesbian" or not. Yep, gender theory nutjobs are just oh so oppressed.

[–]FrenchiePup 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Nowadays, using a pronoun is sufficient enough virtue signaling.

It used to be flying to Africa to actually help curb hunger.

Now it's simply typing "he" on your keyboard and then basking in your own woke glory for 15 wonderful seconds.

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

what the hell? isnt non-binary neither male or female? why would they identify with a male term? i ....what

[–]ChodeSandwichtender and moist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some TRAs graciously provide conventional secondary pronouns so they can pretend that they care about people with disabilities or ESL.

[–]EzukiRaen 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The mental gymnastics here is insane.

Let's suppose for a minute that non-binary is an actual gender. By their logic, a non-binary person cannot be a lesbian because a lesbian is a woman who is attracted to other women and non-binary is neither man nor woman. Which would mean that the only necessary component to be a lesbian would be for the person to be a biological female attracted to other biological females. Yet, at the same time, they tell lesbians that they have a "genital fetish" if they won't date a trans woman. They're so concerned with trying to be politically correct all the time that they fail to see just how nonsensical all of this is.

Also, they're making up new words all the time. I'm more amazed that they haven't made up a new word (or words) to describe a non-binary person's sexuality yet.