Start out by getting a sense of where they are. Ask them what their understanding of what a trans person is. Let them know that you're not judging them for their beliefs but just trying to get a sense of what their understanding is because chances are they have come to believe it's something different than what it is. It tends to be pretty peaking for people to learn that the vast majority do not get or have any intention of having genital surgery. I generally start out by making a few points that set up that if we analyze "intersectionally," there are different groups of people going through very different experiences all being called transgender and that this is a misnomer that makes it hard to care for the needs of the people being labeled with that term. I say that you can generally (though not exclusively) divide them broadly into category based on their biological sex and the biological sex of those they are attracted to. I talk about how back in the day T got added to LGB because transsexuals (which I clarify is not a bad word) were generally homosexual and needed same sex rights but how now the majority of people claiming to be transgender are heterosexual. I talk about transbians and ROGD. I compare a lot the idea of transgender today vs transsexual previously. How now it's an ideology/belief system/religion not an action used to treat gender or sex dysphoria. I also explain how common it is for gay kids to have dysphoria and how for most it will clear up without medical intervention. Nice segue to how they're wiping out a generation of gay kids, the Tavistock whistleblowers, Jazz Jennings with his surgeries, the astroturfed aspect of this movement unlike gay rights, how big Pharma, the medical industry, and billionaires are the main support.

Also a good segue into the censorship and forced teaming aspect of this. How it was never about pronouns and erasure of biological sex before. And how now we are stuck debating the fact that women and children need safeguarding from men in the first place and whether men have physical advantages over men in sports. Most people don't realize this is seriously being argued. The sports issue is the most universally peaking topic, especially for men.

I also clarify that each of these topics is like their own whole thing that can be discussed at length so that I am trying to cover a lot of ground but can answer any questions in depth they want.

A lot of the conversation is about getting feedback from them. Lead them to realize a lot of the points themselves, and to ask the right questions of you.