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[–]strictly 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

she went from self-hating lesbian victim of bullying to full-time sadomasochistic transsexual pornographer

She's into getting dick so she can't be a lesbian, she's bi if she's into both sexes.

[–]jiljol 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

she's bi if she's into both sexes.

But is/was she really? Or perhaps we could look at this from the perspective of a mentally ill woman with a history of trauma and self-destructive behavior. The only reason Susan/Buck managed to transition in the first place was after months/years of shopping for a doctor who wouldn't tell her that she was just a lesbian with a mental illness.

[–]strictly 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

But is/was she really?

If Buck is into dick she isn't/wasn't a lesbian. Lesbians don't become bi but bi people can be late bloomers. And it's not unusual to see bisexual female trans people say they misidentified as lesbians pre transition due to not wanting to be with a man without having transitioned, that's not lesbianism. Wanting to be with men after transitioning is still a sexual interest in men.

The only reason Susan/Buck managed to transition in the first place was after months/years of shopping for a doctor who wouldn't tell her that she was just a lesbian with a mental illness.

Gender non-conforming women are/were often seen as lesbians even if they aren't, especially if they are into women. So I'm unsure if they were referring to Buck being exclusively attracted to women or just Buck being GNC and being into women non-exclusively. I don't know Buck Angel so it's possible she's faking an interest in dick/men and but I don't think there is enough evidence of that.

[–]jiljol 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

If Buck is into dick she isn't/wasn't a lesbian

Again: is/was she really? This thread has made it pretty clear that performance in pornography is not always indicative of a person's sexual orientation. The people involved in the porn industry (specially as performers) overwhelmingly come from a background of abuse, addictive behavior and financial insecurity. Trying to rationalize their actions in front of the camera using a normal understanding of sexual behavior seems rather futile.

All we know is that Buck/Susan grew up as a lesbian, was bullied for being a gender non-conforming lesbian, told by multiple doctors that she was a lesbian, despised the idea of being a lesbian to the point of undergoing extreme body modifications, fell into a lifestyle of self-destructive behavior, married a woman, divorced that woman, married another woman and finally divorced her as well. Silly me for making the assumption that Buck/Susan might be... a lesbian.

I'll step out of this discussion now. Feels a tad odd to speculate about the sexual orientation of a woman who is almost six decades old lol.

[–]strictly 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Again: is/was she really?

She's bragging about getting dick and it seems odd to brag about something one would be repulsed by. It's more likely to me that she does sees dick as something worth getting/is into dick as she brags about it.

All we know is that Buck/Susan grew up as a lesbian

If Buck is into dick as she presents herself then she grew up as bisexual, not as a lesbian. I think unless Buck's Angel sexual behavior would indicate otherwise (i.e refused to do scenes with men) we should take Buck Angel's words for it when Buck Angel indicates being sexually into men.

fell into a lifestyle of self-destructive behavior, married a woman, divorced that woman, married another woman and finally divorced her as well. Silly me for making the assumption that Buck/Susan might be... a lesbian.

Lesbians are not the only women who are into women and bisexual women can be self-desctructive too.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

a) People lie. b) People have internalised homophobia. "I'm a trans man who is muscular and hairy and into dicks and vaginas, definitely not a lesbian woman".

c) What about all the straight women who do lesbian porn? And lie on the internet saying they were really into it so more men go and watch their videos and give them money? Are they bisexual by your logic?

[–]strictly 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People lie.

Sure, but she has sex with men, brags about it and identifies as bisexual so I don't see why we shouldn't we take her actions and words for what they are. Women can be bi and bisexuals outnumber lesbians, so I think the simplest explanation is that she is bisexual as she says.

"I'm a trans man who is muscular and hairy and into dicks and vaginas, definitely not a lesbian woman"

I don't see why Buck would be more ashamed by the idea of being a lesbian woman than a bisexual woman in your example. And bisexual people can experience internalized homophobia about their homosexual attractions too. If Buck is exclusively attracted to women she could identfy as a straight trans man who is "gay for pay" instead of bragging about getting dick like it would be something to envy.

What about all the straight women who do lesbian porn?

If a woman does lesbian porn and says she is bisexual, then I wouldn't immediately assume that she's straight as bisexual women can do porn. Some straight women might do lesbian porn and lie about being bi to get more money, but I don't think doing lesbian porn and identifying as bi is in itself evidence of being straight so I would take for their words for being bisexual unless there was something indicating otherwise.

[–]Seahorse 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yep I agree with you here.

If we are to say that Buck isnt a lesbian because of the male porn then it's the same for so called lesbian porn actresses.

I, for one, don't buy it. People can and do dissociate when it comes to porn and performing.

That said I probably err on Buck being bisexual due to the exclusivity of the porn performed.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I can only really conclude that we don't know what Buck's sexuality is, only that people will do things they wouldn't otherwise do for because because they need money. The act in ways that demonstrate a lot of internalised homophobia. And I'm sure that saying you're a lesbian or only into women when you do porn with men (as a man) wouldn't make you as much money as saying you are bi. So I would take whatever Buck says with a grain of salt.