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[–]julesburm1891 46 insightful - 17 fun46 insightful - 16 fun47 insightful - 17 fun -  (10 children)

Trans: LGB and straight people won’t sleep with us. Bigots!!

Also trans: Some people actually find us attractive and want to sleep with us. Creeps!

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 42 insightful - 12 fun42 insightful - 11 fun43 insightful - 12 fun -  (5 children)

It's not validating me if it's someone who is specifically attracted to trans. I need to be desired by somebody who is exclusively attracted to the sex I was not assigned at birth. Anything less than that is LITERALLY TRANSPHOBIC VIOLENCE.

[–]julesburm1891 35 insightful - 7 fun35 insightful - 6 fun36 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

The number of people in the replies talking about how people who want trans people are fetishizing is unreal.

Wow. Golly, I can’t imagine at all what it’s like to be seen as a sex object with no feeling or boundaries who exists merely to validate others’ sexual fantasies.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Wow. Golly, I can’t imagine at all what it’s like to be seen as a sex object with no feeling or boundaries who exists merely to validate others’ sexual fantasies.

Ha! Nailed it! Trans-stans: projection much?

The number of people in the replies talking about how people who want trans people are fetishizing is unreal.

Yeah, and again-- pot: meet kettle! The gender-fetishists (i.e., trans people) accusing OTHERS of fetishism for... fetishizing their fetishism? Holy hall-of-mirrors-hypocrisy, Batman! You practically need a flow chart to keep track of this crap.

But also: isn't it only to be expected that those who want trans people will fetishize them? Since, for the most part, wanting them is the RESULT of... a fetish?

And it sort of has to be, doesn't it? After all, "trans" is short for "transgender"... and NO sexual orientation is based on attraction to THAT. Bio-sex only, please! Gender just doesn't compute. Which largely rules out all those who might want them for non-fetishistic reasons (i.e., actual sexual attraction). Especially if they destroy their genitals: while some gay men, for example, might be into a "transwoman" as long as the baseline indicator of male sex (penis) is still there, when it's gone, so's the MINIMUM REQUIREMENT for any male-attracted person's interest. And since what they have as a "replacement" isn't the female equivalent (or genitalia at all, but rather some indefinable... thing that reeks of Uncanny Valley), it won't work for anyone attracted to WOMEN, either.

So who's left? Those attracted to something OTHER than biological sex. Like... gender. Meaning the entirely-artificial, culturally-determined/imposed SYMBOLS of maleness and (especially) femaleness. Such as high heels, or dresses, or long hair, or makeup, or bras. And whose sexuality is centered on THAT sort of thing?

Fetishists.

But they want people to be attracted to them based on their GENDER, after all! Absolutely DEMAND it, in fact! Forbid anyone to recognize their sex!

Well... THIS is what that looks like.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can’t imagine at all what it’s like to be seen as a sex object with no feeling or boundaries who exists merely to validate others’ sexual fantasies.

It's a type of escapism that allows the person to eschew personal responsibility and/or it's the result of being abused in youth by personality-ordered assholes who subordinated all of your needs to their own and treated you like an accessory or toy.

[–]kwallio 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The number of times I've heard this argument pretty much exactly makes me think that trans persons are basically asexual. Or have the "I'm going to be attracted to people that are unavailable to me so I don't have to have a relationship with anyone" complex going on.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it's just narcissism. Let me tie my sense of cosmic justice to the most improbable set of outcomes so I always have a reason to rage.

[–]Seahorse 17 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah you need to be the Goldilocks of interest to be in the clear.

Too keen: CHASER!

Not keen: BIGOT!

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I’m keen on the word “keen.” I wish we used it more in the U.S. It ends up sounding almost sarcastic here. I hear it in an Aussie or Kiwi accent and to a lesser extent British. Nothing sounds good in any American accent sadly.

[–]diapason 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Nothing sounds good in any American accent sadly.

Hey, "you guys" and "ya'll" sound pretty silly in any other accent, so we've got that going for us 😁

[–]Feather 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah. What they want isn't possible, though.

It's like... I want to say to them, "Listen, if you aren't into the rare people who find your unusual body/lifestyle especially attractive, I don't know what to tell you. Because that's all you're getting. That's your option."

[–]Seahorse 16 insightful - 13 fun16 insightful - 12 fun17 insightful - 13 fun -  (0 children)

Reading the comments reminds me of the old cartoons that had a dust cloud with fists flying everywhere when someone got into a fight😂

[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 13 fun15 insightful - 12 fun16 insightful - 13 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]pacmanla 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

This is what confuses me about TRAs. I've heard from multiple sources, that trans have an issue with people who are known to date them. Like I've heard transwomen lose attraction to someone if they were previously with another trans person.

I understand concern for people who you believe see you as a fetish. But, it seems it's damned if you do damned if you don't. If you find them attractive & pursue them, you're a "chaser". If you don't & don't want to be sexual or romantic with them, you're a "terf", "transphobe", "bigot". It seems that deep down, they know they're pretending to be a sex that they're not.

[–]FrostyNugsI'm allergic to nuts 27 insightful - 3 fun27 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

It's because it's not validating enough of their genderfeels. It's also why transbians only seek out lesbians, and gaydens only seek out gay men.

[–]Seahorse 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And then tell everyone about their GAY or LESBIAN partner.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

While their "gay" or "lesbian" partner is posting "EXCUSE ME but I'm a gay/lesbian and I love pussy/dick. You don't speak for me!" all over reddit and Twitter.

[–]zerosis 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

God, it's dumb. No, Aiden, you will never know what it's like to be a gay man, to grow up as a boy liking other boys, to know another man's body like it's your own, to resist every religious fundamentalist and homophobe trying to 'fix' you into liking female anatomy, to feel pride for your same-sex attractions in a world that frequently wants you dead for them.

[–]reluctant_commenter 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, same. It's like they need their ideal person to have a 50/50 mix of cis and trans partners or something?

Besides, if they think there are tons of trans people in the world, then if that were true, the average person would have a lot of previous trans partners-- making them a creepy 'chaser', I suppose...

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What I've noticed is that many hold on to this idea that a person who is interested in them doesn't know their biological sex/doesn't know they're trans. And it's central to their fantasy. As soon as they realize the other person was attracted to them knowing they were trans, it shatters the illusion. They want someone to mistake them for the real thing, then learn they're trans, and then be OK with it. But it's not realistic and they are using partners as validation props, so it's a losing game for everyone.

[–]diapason 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Bullshit!! Straight men are so horny for trans women lmao

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Creepy fetishists, usually straight guys

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Lolno. The archetypal chaser is a cishet man.

??????

Lol I can't believe anyone honestly believes guys like that are straight. They may say they are, but…

[–]Cicerosolo 9 insightful - 7 fun9 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

I love when they say chasers are usually straight men. Lol, alright.

[–]pacmanla 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure, lol. They don't believe that, because of their contempt with men known for "chasing" them. TRAs know, that any guy chasing them is a man lying to himself about his sexuality & therefore isn't heterosexual. They know this, which is why they seem to have contempt for them.