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[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Imagine using the word "handmaiden" unironically, though

Being sexist yourself is not the way to defeat TRAs. Just saying.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It's accurate though. It's describing a very particular type of woman who nods and smiles and let males bulldoze over everything, including female language and spaces, out of politeness and a sense of catering to them, even to the detriment of women. It's a sexed term but it's accurate.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

In the same way that "bitch" and "whore" describe "particular types of women who do bad things?" Yeah, no. You're still using misogynist language lol.

And yes it is sexist because I never see radfems complain about the men who actually do bad things or men who enable other men. You guys insist that men are bad because of the "bad women" aka non radfems. Just like how TRAs call everyone who doesn't agree with them "transphobic." Both ideologies are disasters.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I can't say I agree with any of this. "Handmaiden" reflects a specific betrayal that cannot be applied to men who are not capable of betraying women on such a level since they are not themselves women subjected to common, defining uniquely female experiences during their upbringing. I'm not a radfem, but to say that radfems don't call out men is patently absurd. Men are absolutely being called out, if not the predominant ones being called out. In fact, I think many radfems do not place enough blame on certain women who participate in and encourage the fetishistic aspects of trans ideology. These are generally the women who end up LARPing as lesbian/bisexual. They are often active participants/perpetrators, not victims, and many radfem women are reluctant to believe that any women independently engage in such fetishistic behavior.

[–]3MistersAndAMissy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. They give consent and cede ground for all women

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Not the same to me, no. It's okay if you don't like it though. It's a quick and easy way to identify that very real group of women hurting womens' rights by opening up female spaces to males with pleasure and enthusiasm. I wonder if you have a better term?

I never see radfems complain about the men who actually do bad things or men who enable other men.

I haven't seen the male equivalent of handmaidens. I say this as a hardcore feminist. It's a very specific thing btw, not a catch all term for "bad woman." The men do not let their spaces get taken over, they don't talk over other men to allow female people in their spaces. This problem doesn't exist much on their sides. All those trans threads get essentially shut down in the gay subs, they stick together and don't throw each other under the bus in the name of "progress" and politeness. The same cannot be said about the lesbian/women's subs. I mean compare r/actuallesbians with r/gaybros. They're both male subs, because the women couldn't keep their space (and willingly gave it away) and the men could (and did not willingly give it away.) It's an unfortunate trend that comes with being of the sex that is expected to put (men) before themselves, even at the expense of your sisters.

[–]3MistersAndAMissy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I haven’t seen this ‘radfem giving men a pass’ issue lol

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have pondered whether this word was sexist before, but I’d like to hear your take on it. I came out on the side of deciding it’s not as it’s pretty close to a literal use of the word. These are women (well only a few of them) who subordinate female safety and autonomy and uphold male comfort and fantasies as paramount to the point of absurdity. There’s something especially creepy about the way women here are disregarding what should be obvious and instinctual concerns that are right in front of their eyes. Most women that I know that support gender ideology do so out of ignorance because the information is deliberately kept away from them. They’re falling back on their socialization to be kind and open-minded.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

IMO it's not sexist. They are handmaid's b/c they treat TW like princesses who need to be catered to constantly, and fawn over everything TW do. Also known as useful idiots. A lot of hardcore TRAs aren't even trans, just insecure handmaiden women.