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[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I'm surprised he did this because the Catholic church's official teachings is that "homosexual tendencies" are inherently disordered.

Thoughts?

[–]supersmokio6420 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It seems like they're slowly coming round to adopting 21st century values. Wasn't it the Catholic Church that used to teach for hundreds of years that purgatory is a thing, and then eventually said it wasn't? That's a whole 'plane of existence' just written out of existence. If they can "misinterpret gods word" so significantly as to invent that, I wouldn't regard any teaching as inherent. They'll "reinterpret" almost anything to avoid become so far behind the times as to make themselves an irrelevance.

[–]personwhoknows 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Limbo (which is what I think you are referring to, instead of purgatory, which was and still is an official teaching) was never part of the church doctrine:

The verdict that limbo could now rest in peace had been expected for years. The document was seen as most likely the final word since limbo was never part of Church doctrine, even though it was taught to Catholics well into the 20th century.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-limbo-idUSL2028721620070420

More quotes from the article:

Limbo, which comes from the Latin word meaning “border” or “edge”, was considered by medieval theologians to be a state or place reserved for the unbaptized dead, including good people who lived before the coming of Christ. (...)

In writings before his election as Pope in 2005, the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger made it clear he believed the concept of limbo should be abandoned because it was “only a theological hypothesis” and “never a defined truth of faith”.

In the Divine Comedy, Dante placed virtuous pagans and great classical philosophers, including Plato and Socrates, in limbo. The Catholic Church’s official catechism, issued in 1992 after decades of work, dropped the mention of limbo.

The official cathecism gathering all the official teachings was only issued in 1992.

Basically, limbo was a drafted theory that was taught casually but never an official teaching, and the idea behind not endorsing it and clarifying it when the cathecism was written, to justify not including it there, I suppose, is that limbo is not necessary.

“There is greater theological awareness today that God is merciful and wants all human beings to be saved. Grace has priority over sin, and the exclusion of innocent babies from heaven does not seem to reflect Christ’s special love for the little ones.”

This one quoted from here

[–]Willpoll 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Isn't the new thing with the catholic church that attraction to the same sex is all right but if you do feel it you should remain celibate? at least that's what I thought.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's what some Catholics say casually, but it is not the church's official teaching. (Some of my family members are rather zealous about it, is why I know.) It is in their "Catechism" writing.

[–]personwhoknows 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

edit: i was confused and replied to you but I misunderstood the thread, I'm sorry. I just deleted what I wrote.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I did not see your original reply, no sweat :) hope you are all good.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, however they encourage you not to 'indulge' those thoughts (i.e. you should try to stop thinking them) lest they lead you into sin. So, it's ok to be gay so long as you don't act on it, but you probably shouldn't think sexual things about the same sex either.

[–]sadbihours 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Christianity as a whole is slowly embracing homosexuality as I’ve seen it even in places in the south. Still not going back to church but this is good for the kids growing up in religious families like I did.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Totally agree. I'm surprised but I'll take it!

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I will be curious to hear what my most conservative Catholic family members think of this, as they don’t know I’m gay. Will have to work this into conversation the next time I see them. I actually think they will be rather unfazed.

[–]personwhoknows 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I wouldn't take anything for granted, but I will share a convo I once saw a father and a son exchange (father being old and son being in his 50s), discussing about same-sex-civil-union/marriage. It'll be paraphrased a lot.

F: [disagreeing with it, grumpy]

S: I don't really feel worried about it, civil unions have nothing to do with the church, there's no reason to feel like this is any threat.

Father then decided he had no response. This was a longer exchange/vent but I really can't remember it properly. It was posed as an 'otherness' though, gay =/= catholic, but I'm not sure what the son's views would be if he wasn't trying to convince an old person that this had no impact in their beliefs or life.

I think things will depend highly on the family and the culture. In my experience, most people will feel like it's none of their business. I would also guess some people who are closer might feel uncomfortable, make comments or questions, or feel sad/want to pray for you. But I'd imagine the general vibe can be either "I disapprove, but I accept", or "I accept, but disapprove", or in some cases "I accept and love you".

I think people can really be loving and these days they're understanding that it's something you really can't control. They might be afraid of what you do with the sexual orientation - as in worried for you, uncomfortable. They might disapprove you having a boyfriend but they won't disapprove "you".

I wouldn't get my hopes up too much. But I wouldn't put them too low either, at the point of 'disowing' or 'rejecting' or strongly diapproving and shaming you.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My conservative family members think of me as the "normal" and conventionally successful one in my family tree. I think they would get over me being gay in that they wouldn't express hatred, but they would think of me as an oddball and at least a little bit sexually perverted. So I'd rather keep them away from private life, and especially my sex life.