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[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 30 insightful - 3 fun30 insightful - 2 fun31 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I thought it started out okay ("try to talk to them about their interests, rather than bringing up your 'queer' aunt every time"), then went downhill.

I am probably most bothered, and surprised, by "homosexual is an offensive term". Yet "queer", a slur, is used left and right. Thoughts?

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. I will never understand people who argue that "homosexual" is offensive and "queer" is not.

[–]lostinreverieMy ovaries are transphobic 21 insightful - 21 fun21 insightful - 20 fun22 insightful - 21 fun -  (0 children)

It's inappropriate to tell your coworker "I would have never known you were transgender."

I agree; lying is inappropriate. Not to mention making them cream their panties in the middle of the workplace.

[–]ThiccDropkickGay 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

“[homosexual] is aggressively used by anti-gay extremists to suggest that gay people are somehow diseased or psychologically/emotionally disordered,” according to a GLAAD blog post."

They're fucking getting all that from 'homosexual'? But of course queer is fine..

There is one ray of hope though:

Instead use “gay” or “lesbian” to describe people who are attracted to members of the same sex.

At least they got this right.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

GLAAD or "Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation" saying that word "homosexual" is offensive and homophobic, but word like "queer" that is still used as slur in many places - is okay?

Seriously?

And speak about pronouns. Name of organization is nowhere saying about transgenders, but they are focusing them anyways.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I appreciate that Business Insider wants homosexual and bisexual workers to have an easier time at work, but this article makes all of us look like hypersensitive losers.

Don't try and compliment them by saying "You just don't strike me as gay."

Considering how gay people are portrayed in the media, and considering how a lot of woke activists accuse masculine gay men and feminine lesbians of "not being gay/lesbian enough", yes, people are going to say that. Get over it. I have dealt with that on a few occasions at the start of my coming out saga, but I’ve never gotten any that over the last eight years because people realise that homosexuality is just an orientation, not a personality. Let’s not forget that LGB people are less than 10% of the population, probably no more than 6%, so of course people are not going to suspect that someone is gay unless that person has stereotypically gay attributes.

Don't try to relate to your LGBT coworkers by bringing up that one queer celebrity you know.

Yeah, I don’t care too much for celebrities, gay or straight, but this isn’t exactly something to get butthurt about. If someone assumes you like a celebrity who you actually don’t like, just say you don’t like or care or this celebrity and change the subject. Maybe a straight co-worker is trying to lift your spirits by highlighting famous GLB people who are successful, and maybe that is annoying sometimes or most of the time. But you know what? Just talk about celebrities you like, or celebrities you both like. And let’s face it, a lot of GLB people like it when a celebrity they like is also GLB. That’s a fact.

Along those lines, don't try to relate to them by bringing up your LGBTQ relatives every time you interact with them.

How often does this happen? Look, I don’t care about some random person who is a gay/bisexual man if I know nothing about him, unless he’s single, there’s a photo of him and he looks good. Added bonus if he’s a man in uniform, like a soldier or a firefighter. But if I don’t like the look of him, if he’s not single, if he’s too old for me, or if he’s trans, i could not care less about him. But again, people talking about their LGB relative might just be looking for an excuse to talk about their family in general, so ask them about other members of their family. Or something. No need to get butthurt over this.

Never say to your bisexual coworker, "But you're really just gay" or "You’re really just straight, right?"

Yes, that’s a good point. But then the authors go on about how there are multiple genders which derails their point.

Don't 'misgender' your coworkers by referring to them with the wrong pronouns.

No. If you want male pronouns, be a man or look like a man. If you want female pronouns, be a woman or look like a woman. If you want other pronouns, just be glad that someone wants to talk to a narcissist. I’m fed of people linking me, a homosexual, to nonbinary people.

Never ask an invasive question like "So who's the man in your relationship?"

I agree. This is an inappropriate question to ask.

Don't refer to your queer coworker's partner or spouse as their "friend."

This is also inappropriate.

It's inappropriate to tell your coworker "I would have never known you were transgender."

When someone tells a transgender person this, the former is just entertaining the latter's delusions to be polite or non-confrontational.

Asking your coworker "Have you had the surgery yet?" or other invasive questions about their body isn't just rude — it's likely sexual harassment.

Don’t worry, I will never ask a trans coworker this. Because I will try to avoid these people as much as I can.

Don't force someone to use a particular bathroom based on their gender assigned at birth rather than their real gender identity.

At this point, I’m going to silently side with whoever tells the transgender to use the other bathroom, because fuck it.

Don't use the term "homosexual."

No. I’m fine with the word "homosexual". Because I am one. I find it funny how the word homosexual is considered "offensive" while the authors drop the word queer a lot throughout the article. Queer has also been used as an insult, by people who perceive homosexual and bisexual people as weird. Queer has more homophobic connotations than homosexual. Furthermore, the word queer now means an upperclass narcissistic who behaves and looks like a freak. My straight coworkers have my full permission to call me gay or homosexual, while anyone who calls me queer will be warned never to call me that again.

Similarly, don't force trans and gender-nonconforming employees to wear gendered uniforms.

If you’re gender-nonconforming, then don’t get a job with gendered uniforms. If you’re trans, well, I don’t care about transgender people. Fed up with them, actually. Not sorry.

But the most insidious form of workplace discrimination occurs before an employee is even hired. The reality is that many LGBTQ workers don't even make it through the interview process.

I don’t bring up my sexual orientation in interviews. Then again, the real reason I do this is because my orientation is irrelevant when it comes to getting a job. A lot of these "LGBTQ" interviewees didn’t get the job because someone better got it, or because they came off as unlikable. Kinda like the authors of this article.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"not being gay/lesbian enough", yes, people are going to say that. Get over it.

You know, it strikes me that this is actually a really good opportunity to educate people. If someone thinks I don't look like a lesbian, I can ask them, What do you think a lesbian looks like? And then be one of those examples that "blends in" to them, emphasizing that being gay is ultimately just about exclusive same-sex attraction, nothing else.

And let’s face it, a lot of GLB people like it when a celebrity they like is also GLB. That’s a fact.

It's funny you mention that, it almost seems like two different opposing messages. But that's true.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! My observations were pretty similar. Usually when I see this type of article, related to LGB or not, it is at least half garbage, but I was frustrated yesterday and was like, Why not post it and see what other people might think.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You’re right. People telling me that I don’t look gay to them is an opportunity to help them understand homosexuality better. Sometimes people have to ask silly questions in order to get smarter.

[–]Shadow_Lurker 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sometimes people have to ask silly questions in order to get smarter.

Silly questions are fundamental if you want to learn about anything, be it math, history or sexuality.

[–]fuck_reddit 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you for this commentary. 100% agree. You can basically split all these 'offenses' into two cases: 1. comments that violate existing rules of workplace conduct or 2. """LGBTQ+++2S""" people being way too sensitive. No coworker should be asking about sexual relations (I guess unless you work in a sex toy store? Maybe?), but saying "that's offensive" in response to someone trying to have a conversation does nothing to improve things. Like saying "I don't really pay attention to celebrities that much, do you like LoTR/football/a genre of music/anything that people with personalities do?" will get you more acceptance and potentially a new (accepting and less nervous) friend.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your response summarises my original comment perfectly. All these sex-based questions are bad because they’re inappropriate, not because "they hurt snowflake's feelings". But the article reduces the effect of these questions down to "offensive". And the rest of the questions can be properly dealt with using thicker skin, a sense of humour and knowing how to steer a conversation.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah there's a few here where either:

  • The person is trying to be friendly in a situation where they don't know what to say;
  • The person is uniformed or confused about sexuality / gender and a simple explanation would easily fix the situation.

I used to volunteer with an 80+ year old man who, while he supported the lgbt community, had very little understand of how lgbt worked. E.g. he thought that a butch lesbian woman (one of our clients) also had a gender thing going on (no, he didn't say that to her, only to me when away from the clients). I can see how he would make the mistake because people are told today that masculine women are trans, or maybe he just had no idea. A simple explanation would be that not all lesbians are masculine, but many are, and those who are masculine are 99% of the time also perfectly happy being women.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of these questions come from ignorance, except that the ignorant person who asked is making an effort to become less ignorant and more understanding. In the case of the 80-year-old man, he asked you, you were polite and kind to him, and now he’s more understanding of gay, lesbian and bisexual people. Though I don’t blame him for being confused, considering how woke LGBT activists are pushing this narrative that feminine gay men and masculine lesbians are trans, while at the same time pushing that narrative that masculine gay men and feminine lesbians have internalised homophobia or "not actually homosexual". The reality is, gay men are homosexual men and lesbians are homosexual women. Good on you for helping that man out.

[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

god, no wonder hiring managers are dropping people's resumes in the trash when they have their pronouns in them. Who wants to deal with the TQ+ bullshit?

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

If I was a hiring manager, any resume or curriculum vitae with pronouns would be in bin.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

it's a huge fucking flag that that person is going to be a fucking headache.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You just have to make sure you have an alternate "legitimate" reason to scrap them from the considerations, because "being a huge basket case" unfortunately is not considered socially appropriate, however accurate that is. :(

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea and for anyone out here wondering, this would not be unlawful discrimination at least in the U.S. because putting pronouns in your resume does not connote being transgender. It connotes being a fuckwit. I mean they want EVERYONE to put pronouns in signatures and I'm sure resumes too so you can't tell who is trans or whatever. Not sure how this helps anyone. Certainly not the transsexuals who wanted to transition and be done with and now get to enjoy people asking them what pronouns they prefer, ironically. It seems that the pronoun thing seems to primarily benefit the people who put no effort into any actual transition. Also non-binary people, who I guess fall within the category of "people who put no effort into any actual transition."

The nonbinary people I know/work with just go by their regular sex-based pronouns, especially at work. But we're also all highly educated professionals and they have enough self-awareness to not want to appear like fuckwits in front of those who pay our bills.

[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

  1. So they're in lockstep with dictionary.com calling 'homosexual' offensive I see.

  2. Of course the section on bisexuals was the shortest lol

  3. Of course the sections about misgendering and trans people were almost twice as long as the non trans parts

  4. "Similarly, don't force trans and gender-nonconforming employees to wear gendered uniforms." How about we don't force ANYONE to wear gendered uniforms? Getting real sick of trans people and their minions assuming if you aren't trans you must automatically be ok with your societal gender box and all the restrictive expectations it comes with.

[–]diapason 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How about we don't force ANYONE to wear gendered uniforms? Getting real sick of trans people and their minions assuming if you aren't trans you must automatically be ok with your societal gender box and all the restrictive expectations it comes with.

Right? I thought we had all settled that it was fine for a woman to wear slacks instead of a dress, decades ago! Pants are just more practical usually, has fuck-all to do with gender identity!

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You would think so, right? But then I see them trying to trans Mulan because "sHe WOre MEN'S clOTheS" despite that having exactly nothing to do with gender identity and I wonder how these people have enough brain cells to operate their electronics.

[–]JulienMayfair 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Any article that has "things you shouldn't say" in its title is automatically going to be a dumpster fire. Only censorious assholes write things like this.

[–]zephyranthes 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

The reality is that many LGBTQ workers don't even make it through the interview process.

A 2015 study from the National Center for Transgender Equality found that transgender and gender-nonconforming people have an unemployment rate of....

Obviously, it's a horrorclown problem, not an LGB problem. Drop the clowns.

[–]Shadow_Lurker 12 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 5 fun -  (9 children)

I just can't imagine why any business would be reluctant to hire an brave and stunning transperson or a genderspecial. I just can't!

It's not like most of them are pathological narcissists who nobody likes to hang around with and would turn the work environment into a great mess.

[–]JulienMayfair 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Yes, every business wants an employee who's going to be starting fights with customers or running to HR with complaints every five minutes.

[–]Shadow_Lurker 8 insightful - 8 fun8 insightful - 7 fun9 insightful - 8 fun -  (5 children)

Don't forget the legendary dress erections and the hissy fits, they're very important!

But let's see this differently: at least there would be more "it's ma'am" for us to laugh at, so it's not like everything would be lost.

[–]diapason 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Don't forget the legendary dress erections

"Emilia" Decaudin flashbacks

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Oh god. I remember that.

Devil's advocate: is it possible it was a belt buckle or something and not an actual erection? (Why the hell would you wear a belt UNDER a dress though?)

[–]diapason 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I really wish it were true, but in the photos from the event it seems pretty clear he just had an erection 🤢

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How did he not look in the mirror and think "maaaaaaaybe there's a problem here". It doesn't even look like it's erect, just the natural bulge there, which means it's way, way too tight.

[–]diapason 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, the rest of his outfit pretty clearly shows he has no dress sense, so who knows lol

[–]ChodeSandwichtender and moist 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I used to know a guy that, when told to get his life together, would sabotage his own job applications and interviews by acting like an idiot and a crybaby. I'm sure some of them are like that. I'm also sure that some of them genuinely don't understand what employers are looking for or how to pass an interview.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 10 insightful - 11 fun10 insightful - 10 fun11 insightful - 11 fun -  (0 children)

"So tell me how you can benefit the company. "

"I identify as xir xim, I require at least 30 minutes every hour to check on the 57 subreddits that I moderate. Your dress code is out of date. I know I'll be working on the 5th floor but I'll also need you to change the signs on bathrooms for all floors."

"Ok but can you use Excel?"

"Your question is abilist."

[–]julesburm1891 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The first three or four, I was on board. They were all common sense and tactful suggestions. Then it went down the TQ slide really fast and I wanted off that ride.

[–]8bitgay 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don't refer to your queer coworker's partner or spouse as their "friend."

This is can be harmful because it can alienate LGBTQ people and frame them as "other."

They say this while using the term queer which literally only exists to frame those who aren't straight as "other".

[–]fuck_reddit 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

"So I think I'm merely asking cisgender people to extend as least the same level of respect and a modicum of humanity to their transgender coworkers as they might to a dog." Ok, then follow the same pronoun rules as a dog. A dog's pronouns conform to their biological sex and are either male or female pronouns. You ask me to call a dog "they" and I'll laugh in your face.

[–]diapason 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Wasn't there some Tumblr post a while back where some fruitcake said we should all use singular "they" pronouns for cats because we can't ask them about their gender identity?

[–]fuck_reddit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I definitely remember something about referring to animals use "they." That said, this is where I put my foot down.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Mostly agree with the category titles but then the extra info is all bullshit.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Time to give my unsolicited opinion to all these one by one!

Don't try and compliment them by saying "You just don't strike me as gay."

Why not? I see no problem with this. I'm biased because I'm closeted, so being told that I "don't seem gay" (or having people assume I'm straight) means I'm not stereotypical and obnoxious, so I see that as a good sign.

Don't try to relate to your LGBT coworkers by bringing up that one queer celebrity you know.

I don't disagree with this one. Except for the use of "queer." Frankly I couldn't give a shit what Jeffree Star or the "trans icon" of the week is doing. I am as connected to LGBT celebrities as I am to straight ones - not at all.

Along those lines, don't try to relate to them by bringing up your LGBTQ relatives every time you interact with them.

This too. I do not care if your brother's aunt is a lesbian or your uncle worked in a gay bear bar in '91. I really DO NOT CARE.

Never say to your bisexual coworker, "But you're really just gay" or "You’re really just straight, right?"

Yep. This seems to be a problem with bi people. How hard is it to understand that bi means two? As in both? As in not "secretly just gay/straight?"

Don't 'misgender' your coworkers by referring to them with the wrong pronouns.

Hard disagree. You're male, I call you he. You're female, I call you she. I don't believe in "personal pronouns", I think that demanding people refer to you as a certain way just screams "I'm a narcissistic privileged asshole." Tell me your pronouns and I will automatically assume you are full of yourself and probably laugh at you.

Never ask an invasive question like "So who's the man in your relationship?"

I agree with this one too. Although I will say I have been asked this question (in it's many various forms) WAY more by LGBT people than straight people.

Don't refer to your queer coworker's partner or spouse as their "friend."

Don't refer to them as queer either though

It's inappropriate to tell your coworker "I would have never known you were transgender."

It's not inappropriate, I can just not think of a situation where this has actually been said and is not a strawman. Most transgender people 1. do not pass, and 2. cannot go 5 minutes without telling everyone they are, in fact, trans.

Asking your coworker "Have you had the surgery yet?" or other invasive questions about their body isn't just rude — it's likely sexual harassment.

Again, while this would be disrespectful, in most cases, they will tell you first. You won't need to ask Alice-formerly-Adam whether he's had the "surgery" because there's a high chance he will start talking about his detailed plan to get a "trans girl pussy" during lunch break.

Don't force someone to use a particular bathroom based on their gender assigned at birth rather than their real gender identity.

So I can go in the women's room simply because I "don't identify with masculinity?" Can I go in the disabled because I believe myself to have a low IQ and neurological problems? Yeah, no. Bathrooms are literally tailored to BIOLOGY not gender feelings. They put urinals in the mens because of penises, not because of macho "identity." You have a penis, you use the penis-haver room. No buts.

Don't use the term "homosexual."

LOL WHAT. Sorry but I strongly prefer the term "homosexual" over gay. While I might tolerate gay if you're not being offensive I really don't like it, I think it's inaccurate, childish, and misleading, and "homosexual" is the purest, most no-nonsense way of saying it. And I guarantee that if someone called me "queer" or "a gay" to my face I probably couldn't resist slapping them.

GLAAD can also fuck off. Corporate fake-woke bullshit.

Similarly, don't force trans and gender-nonconforming employees to wear gendered uniforms.

Why just trans? Why do trans people only get to wear what they want? Are you implying that normal men/women have to wear gendered uniforms? What if big beefy Ivan wants to wear the pink shirt or the skirt? Sounds like you're pretty regressive there.

But the most insidious form of workplace discrimination occurs before an employee is even hired. The reality is that many LGBTQ workers don't even make it through the interview process.

Maybe if you didn't start your interview and/or resume with "I'M A GAY AFAB TRANS NONBINARY POLYAMOROUS AUTISTIC ADHD NEURODIVERGENT QUEER" you'd get hired. Just saying. I know this may be shocking, but despite my homosexuality, I have never once made my sexuality public enough to get into a job interview or similar. It's personal business, you really don't have to tell everyone, and announcing you're gay all over is just asking for harassment. Don't whine about trouble you caused.

Thanks for coming to my TED (Tired Every Day) talk.

[–]our_team_is_winning 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Where's the list of things not to say or do to your NON-TQ+ coworkers?

Like don't enter the bathroom of the opposite sex;

don't steal their used sanitary products;

don't refer to a pregnant woman in your office as a "pregnant person";

don't compel coworkers to lie and force them to call you by pronouns that don't match the reality of your biological sex;

don't accuse everyone of being a "transphobe" when you don't get your own way;

don't decorate your cubicle with ugly trans pride flags;

don't throw the word "queer" about as it is offensive to same-sex attracted people;

don't talk non-stop about your genderspecial identity;

don't show up to a business meeting with blue hair -- it reflects poorly on the company;

don't assume every person who can't stand you feels that way because of your genderspecialness -- it could just be you are unbearable at every level;

I need three more. Any suggestions?

[–]diapason 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you don't get a chance to apologize in person, or if you feel you'd like to apologize again, you could send your colleague an apology email recognizing your mistake. In fact, experts have an exact template you can use.

An apology email template for misgendering? Who even asked for that, seriously. And apologizing multiple times just to atone for the grave sin of misgendering is obviously just pure virtue signalling—even with their distorted logic, there's no way that would be about making their coworker feel more comfortable

"So I think I'm merely asking cisgender people to extend as least the same level of respect and a modicum of humanity to their transgender coworkers as they might to a dog."

The key difference here, the dog owner corrects you on the dog's sex, while the trans coworker tells you to refer to them as the wrong sex. And it's not about "respect" for the dog, just accuracy

[–]fuck_reddit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The claim that "sexuality is a spectrum" links to a page by the University of South Dakota (you know, the state that slashed university funding because the state's universities were too woke), which has amazingly academic quotes like "Yes, even sex is not constrained to a binary!", no sources, and claims like the infamous "intersex people prove sex isn't binary."

[–]Shadow_Lurker 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There was one graph circulating around about this where it explicitly said something like: "the way the 'sexes' appear on the spectrum is arbitrary".

With the exception of male/female (that were placed on the extremes) there was no logic behind the placement of the other "sexes" on their spectrum, which is very easy to guess why: there's no "hermaphrodite" or different degrees of male/female (that hipoteticaly would be able to fertilize each other) on the human species.

TLDR: They are bullshiting.

[–]fuck_reddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, even with intersex people, most of them (from what I know) still develop as entirely male or entirely female despite any genetic abnormality. They will have some developmental issues and the condition is brutal in terms of long term health effects. It honestly seems extremely cruel to me to try and treat intersex people as not male or female. They already are dealing with major health issues and likely don't like their bodies much, how does treating them as an "other" do anything to improve their lives?