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[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 18 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I will process this all later but I will say that re Masterpiece Cake Shop, the sticking point is not that the shop refused to sell a cake to a gay couple, but they refused to create a custom cake celebrating a gay wedding. Which is a huge difference.

I used to work in a bakery and I’ve had to do some basic cake decorating. Custom cakes are an art form IMO. Now there are different degrees of this. Is it just the lettering that is custom? Is there more to it?

In any case, I would be very uncomfortable with the idea of a cake shop being forced to create and design a cake to celebrate my gay wedding if they were religiously or morally opposed to it. It’s just not something I want to get involved in. I’d rather take my money elsewhere and I think as a practical matter this is bad PR for gay people. We made strides when we asked people for tolerance, for forebearance. LGBT has faltered when demanding not just tolerance not even just acceptance but celebration. Tolerance is the normal precursor to normalization which is the precursor to acceptance. You can’t force people over the line.

In any case, Masterpiece Cakeshop was decided on very narrow grounds in SCOTUS and did not reach these broader questions of discrimination, and IMO, that’s for the best for us. I think it would have caused more harm than good.

I am also shuddering thinking about Jazz Jennings’s penis cake where they cut the penis cake to symbolize Jazz’s castration. Can you imagine being required to create that cake, religion aside?

[–]Willpoll[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree with what you said about the cake shop. I was just using it as an example of how these things should be settled differently in the private and public sectors.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t mean to disagree with that point, just adding color.