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[–]divingrightintowork 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Is this basically like a gay man's michfest or something like that? AKA Is it going to be the next Michfest? Where is all of this dialogue going down?

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's going down on the group's website. This group started out in the 1980s as a kind of New Age/gay activist group, and for decades, it was a group run by and for gay men. Then, the younger members started to push the whole inclusivity for inclusivity's sake argument so that now, pretty much anyone can join in, including women. (Not being open to women was now "misogyny" even though it was never more than a small group with nothing approaching any kind of social power.) Then, as the whole TQ+ move happened, they started to demand to be part of our group. Over time, they maneuvered themselves into moderator positions on our website, and a little over a year ago, in response to continuing friction over whether we were supposed to be a group for gay men, they issued a pronouncement that anyone advocating events only for gay men would be banned from the website.

It's a bit like MichFest, but there's no big festival or anything like that.

Basically, for these kids, the idea that gay men can have anything for themselves, even a private social group that provides no services, is misogynistic, transphobic, and somehow racist even though we've always had black, Latino, and Asian members. It's an example of how the TQ+ feel compelled to demand access to every social group and then demand to be "centered" within that group. To have any space that isn't taken over by them is "oppression."

[–]divingrightintowork 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh that's really interesting! And not entirely in the good sort of way. It makes me think of this gay retreat and upstate New York that I was invited to go to to teach a workshop at, they were starting to try to be more queer inclusive and expand outside of gay men's stuff, including gay trans men, etc. That there were definitely some growing pains, because well gay trans men aren't really men by most any functional definition of gay manhood... And a lot of the workshops were, challenging to say the least, as a lot of them were basically hands-on sex workshops which will generally be pretty penis-oriented.

This was all about 4 years ago when things were only starting to loosen up, I wonder what state the place is in now...

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have a feeling it was a branch of this group.