BisexualBi-furious rant

submitted by [deleted] from self.LGBDropTheT

Something I see a lot in non-woke somewhat trans-critical spaces are people saying it's okay for a lesbian or straight man to not like dick, and it's okay for a gay man or straight woman to not like pussy, but bisexuals get thrown under the bus.

Like yeah, I agree no one should have to undergo essentially conversion therapy just to appease a trans person but bisexuals get told all the time we "have no excuses" because we like both, and that we should stay in a relationship if our partner transitions. Like no, I have standards just like everyone else. The features I'm attracted to in men are not the same ones I'm attracted to in women. I consented to a relationship with either a man or a woman, not an amalgamation of the two with mismatched or surgically constructed genitals. I consented to a relationship where I'm not manipulated into walking on eggshells and playing pronoun games constantly. This isn't intended to shit on bisexuals who are into trans people either, but those of us who aren't deserve the same courtesy as everyone else.

I don't want this to come off as needless trans bashing, but this is one of the huge reasons I want to drop the T. Gender nonsense has no place in matters regarding sexuality, even when it comes to people who are into both sexes. Even in spaces where the right to your own sexuality is honored, bisexuals get the short end of things from TRAs and I'm sick of it.

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[–]julesburm1891 61 insightful - 2 fun61 insightful - 1 fun62 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Bi people shouldn't be expected to be attracted to mixed-sex characteristics.

Also, no one is obligated to be into surgically created genitals.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 31 insightful - 5 fun31 insightful - 4 fun32 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Exactly. There are so many people who have a hard time being attracted to plastic-surgery body-parts, especially if they're poorly made. I've heard too many men laugh at women about "bowling balls bolted onto her chest" or "Donald Duck face." You can't force people to be attracted to something their instincts red flag as unnatural. Even the type of men who'd usually stick their dick in anything take pause when plastic surgery doesn't look right.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. For example, I've HATED fake boobs since as long as I remember. I want natural boobs on my woman. I personally prefer a flat chested woman over a woman with huge fake boobs any day. For me, natural is always better. Fake boobs are just very hard and look unnatural to me.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

mixed-sex characteristics

Exactly the words. It's so discordant, and never going to work because there are just many features which can't be modified to match the target sex. Not to mention genitals which are built using parts from elsewhere on the body. It's like a fevered dream that someone up and decided was a good idea to bring into reality. I mean, they can go ahead and do it, but don't expect other people to be turned on by it.

[–]julesburm1891 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

One of my guy friends is bi. A couple of years ago he went on a few dates with a transwoman who’d been on hormones and had breast surgery. He was all good with the situation because, in his mind, he like both. (He said his date was perfectly fine too.) Then, it came time for the clothes to come off. As soon as he saw dick and boobs together, he said his dick went completely soft and he couldn’t do anything to get hard again. It was evidently mortifying for him and the transwoman was pretty embarrassed as well.

A person may like two things just fine on their own, but never ever be about their combination.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I can definitely understand the logic he used. It makes perfect sense as simple bi-rithmetic. But with physical attraction, Something Good + Something Good doesn't necessarily compound and = Something Better. Instead, I feel it's more like chemistry, where 2 very characteristic(but very different) features in proximity can alter each other in completely unpredictable ways or even cancel out one another's poignancy and strength when mixed(like acids and bases), leaving one with nothing in the end..

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Thank you!

I like my men and women that are without "neo-peni/vaginas" because they were "born in the wrong body". No thank you.

[–]julesburm1891 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Just to confirm I’m reading your flair correctly, you are trans and acknowledge there’s a difference between genitals and surgically created genitals?

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Oh nope, I am NOT trans. I thought that ⚥ was for bisexual?

Trans is this ⚧, no?

Edit: I think I will remove flair, I am not too sure what it is.

[–]julesburm1891 12 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

Nope. You’re right. That is for bi. I’m an idiot and had it wrong. (My amazement that a trans person was being honest about it was very short lived though.)

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh lol hahaha gotcha! I was confused on the sign to be honest. I detransitioned(FtM) nearly a decade ago. I peaked kinda early though in questioning sex vs gender and "what the hell am I doing?" when I wanted to transition. Luckily, I did not go through with surgery. Didn't want to...which made me question everything more lol.

[–]8bitgay 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've seen some, but they get pushed out of their own community.

[–]deliciousdogfoodmy name isnt a puppyplay reference i swear 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

No one is obligated to be into anything or anyone.

[–]Rosefield 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Don't let the Transstapo hear this

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 34 insightful - 8 fun34 insightful - 7 fun35 insightful - 8 fun -  (1 child)

Me and my cousins used to play a mean trick on each other when we were little. There would be an opaque cup with a lid (sort of like a sippy-cup, but large enough for 8-10 year old kids to use comfortably.) And we'd put orange juice in it, and tell the other cousin that it's chocolate milk.

When your brain expects chocolate milk, I guess it chemically prepares your mouth to receive the delicious creamy chocolatey goodness of chocolate milk. So when you get a mouthful of sour, acidic, chunky, pulpy, Tropicana Orange Juice instead, it's absolutely revolting and traumatizing! The orange juice itself was fine (though I hate the pulpy ones!) but the expectation of chocolate milk made all the difference.

This is a similar situation. You married and committed your life to ONE person with ONE set of genitals and matching body. You married Jack, not Jacqueline. Now at the last second they want to switch it up and you're the asshole for not going along with it? LOL okay.

[–][deleted] 22 insightful - 4 fun22 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly!! I use food analogies a lot to explain this concept and this one is amazing. Receiving OJ when I'm expecting something chocolatey feels intrusive and upsetting. And I like OJ! They seem to take a rejection in this specific manner from a bisexual as transphobia. That's not what it is. Most people would send their order back if a restaurant got it wrong, even if it's a food you like, why is this any different? It's not about whether you like what you were given, it's about the fact that what you were given isn't what you ordered.

Then come to find out a lot of trans people only date "cis" people because "certain genitals make me dysphoric". Any fucks I would've given dried up right then. What if I'm dysphoric seeing your mastectomy scars? What if I'm dysphoric seeing a bobbing adam's apple when your voice is surgically altered to be higher than mine? Miss me with that shit.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

This is why I'm slightly okay with people using the term pansexual instead of bisexual---for those who are attracted to both sexes AND trans((even though pansexuals ARE bisexuals because there are ONLY two sexes...))

But they keep changing the definition lol.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

They really do keep changing the definition, it's so stupid. And I'd agree with you if it didn't directly contradict TRA logic. If trans men are men and trans women are women, then bisexual should include them, right? Liking trans people would then be a preference within bisexuality right? Like being into tattoos or redheads. But no, they can't decide on what the fuck they're advocating. Until they either admit trans men and women are not real men and women, or they stop inventing new sexuality and gender labels just to make themselves feel special, I don't agree with the existence of pansexual the way it's currently defined.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah, I see what you mean. It basically became "We like trans people"(as tho it's a "third" sex??? Male, female, "trans"??) to "We don't SEE genitals, we see pErSoNaLiTiEs"...okay? So...are they saying that they're "not-like-all-bisexuals" because of the "promiscuous" stereotype? Lol

I just "like" pansexuality so it's a TRA radar lol. Bisexuality isn't trendy enough for the qUeEr people anymore so they opt for demisexual, pansexual "bi lesbians" lol.

One of my friends says she's bisexual BUT "technically" pansexual because she likes non-binaries AND trans. I think that makes her slightly self aware that regular bi people from LGB are NOT attracted to trans lol.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I def agree that when someone distinguishes bi from pan they at least acknowledge the "old school" bi's from the woke ones. I guess I'm being stubborn about not accepting pan as a label because it's not something we apply to other preferences. If a guy likes both blonde women and red headed women we don't have a name for that, he's just a straight guy with a preference. Likewise if a guy likes women and trans men he's still straight, but suddenly he needs to label his sexuality differently? Why? I'm tired of giving these uwu assholes more reasons to circlejerk to how special they think they are. "Oh I'm so special the other sexualities aren't good enough. You have to say you're pan to accommodate my specialness." I'm tired of accommodating these people. I feel the same way about the term demisexual. You aren't special or better just bc you never get the hots for a stranger. You have a preference within being either gay, straight, or bi.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ah, that analogy makes sense. Yeah, I honestly think the term pansexuality sound ridiculous, and only liked it as more of a indicator to see if someone is in "qUeEr" culture or not.

But now you are making me think we should do completely away with term "pansexuality".

I also wish we could just have homosexual, heterosexual, and bisexual for terms or use the terms coloquial "gay/lesbian", "straight", and "bi" and that there were no "trans" people to worry about making inclusive term.

By that, I mean I wish people(especially young) would NOT transition...this is coming from someone who detransitioned. I am glad I did not go to gender (? trans?) therapy, then they would have tell me to go through with surgery which does no help with the issues I had.

I had body dysforia very bad. I wanted to be a boy, I did not like my body(like any teenager really, now Im an old fart lol). I grew up in a conservative, religious household where "male chauvism" is very prominent. I was locked in house while brothers can go do what they wanted...Or i have to take them with me if i go out. The town i grew up was very small so no immediate danger or anything...

Anyways I think surgery is rather life changing and people should think it over before going with it. I was trans but did not EVER want to do surgery(for multitude reason, for one, it would not BE the same as being born boy, I used to wish I could die and be reborn as one---of course I knew that would never happen), so that made me peak more.

My bad, I went on a ramble. Lol

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you me?? Minus the growing up in a conservative household your story sounds like mine. Identified as a trans guy/nonbinary for a few years. Binding, packing, new wardrobe, pronoun fuckery, etc. I did go to a gender therapist, who was unhelpful as hell and told me my internalized homophobia/misogyny was actually proof I wasn't a girl. I can't say I had the intense hatred of my female body (although I despised my period and still do), but I definitely wanted a male body much more than the one I had when the dysphoria got really bad.

"I was trans but did not EVER want to do surgery(for multitude reason, for one, it would not BE the same as being born boy, I used to wish I could die and be reborn as one---of course I knew that would never happen), so that made me peak more."

This. Exactly this. I used to be obsessed with being male to the point where I'd have dreams about it frequently. But I knew no amount of hormones or surgery would give me that. It also breaks my heart to see young people on puberty blockers and cross sex hormones they don't need. It upsets me to see that gender nonconformity has basically been erased because the second TRAs see a GNC person or even just GNC behavior (a female writer using a male pen name to get her books published for instance) they try to trans them.

And it's funny because I can see how the pan label can be useful for identifying the woke crusaders, so I guess we both kind of brought each other over to our respective sides lol. I guess I wouldn't have a problem with it if people who used it recognized that by definition, pan implies trans people are seen as a third sex. Obviously they aren't, but it would at least be consistent with the TRA's demands that you can't be run of the mill straight, lesbian, gay, or bi and also like trans people. Again, obviously you can, but if the claim is made that you need to relabel your sexuality for a trans person then TRA's also can't assert that trans men and women are the same as natal men and women. I just want consistency. Something has to give in either direction.

[–]Seahorse 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I never know what pansexual means.

Surely pansexual was created purely for people that are attracted to everyone but I've read this is wrong also😑

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It would make sense to eliminate pansexual altogether, but use the 2012 partial definition of pansexual (attracted to men, women, and trans people) and call those people transphiles. Of course it will never catch on, but if you really need to virtue signal how attracted you are to this small subgroup of people, that's reallty the most correct word I can think of. Anyone can be a transphile, LGB or Straight. It isn't something only bi people have to be saddled with.

EDIT - actually, from now on, if anyone calls me twansphobic uwu, I'm going to say "I'm not a transphile, that doesn't make me transphobic."

[–]3MistersAndAMissy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I like pansexual being separate from bisexual. I think it’s important to keep it separate. Watch out when they try to get rid of the ‘bi’

[–][deleted] 27 insightful - 4 fun27 insightful - 3 fun28 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

I saw someone on Twitter the other day saying bisexuals have no reason to exclude trans people from their dating pool because gEnItAl pReFeReNcEs aren't a factor for them. I really wish people would just get it through their thick skulls that people can exclude anyone from their dating pool for any reason or even no reason. and not wanting to date someone who is frankenstein-ing their body with surgeries and hormones is a pretty good reason anyway.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 27 insightful - 7 fun27 insightful - 6 fun28 insightful - 7 fun -  (6 children)

Actually the only people who have genitalia preferance are bisexual. For us homos isn't a preferance, but simply wanting one and no the other.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Exactly. That's hilarious because we are the only ones capable of preference between two things we like. Everyone else has to either choose the one option they actually like, or be forced into the option they don't like.

But despite what TRA's insist, not being attracted to genitals that have been surgically/hormonally altered is also not a preference, it's both a lack of attraction and a feeling of revulsion that comes from deep within a person. I don't know if you've ever seen a vagina of an FTM who's been taking hormones for a long time, but it looks like there's a mini-penis growing out of there. (DO NOT google "Testosterone clit" unless you're really ready to see things you cannot unsee.)

"I don't prefer this type of vagina" is not really the sentence I would use for what's going on in those pictures, "prefer" is not even in the ballpark. It's more of an instinctual "that bodypart looks diseased" feeling of repulsion.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 17 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

It's normal that it looks like a dick, because clitoris glande and dick literally have the same base structure and the same erectile tissue. So when the clit grows due to testosterone it will show itself as a dick head.And also forget to make her wet, she will be desertic as a grandma from the nursing home or even worst. I don't want a pussy like that either. I want a female with all her female characteristics, nothing male. TRA idiots don't get difference between having a preferance, and totally inability to get aroused to opposite sex organs. It is because they live in fantasy land where sex doesn't exist and genitalia aren't sex organs belonging respectively to male and female types.

[–]FrostyNugsI'm allergic to nuts 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, and TRAs love to pull the "oh, so you would fuck a trans man?" card when you say you like sex characteristics not pronouns. No, I don't wanna play with an oversized clit-dick and a dry, atrophied pussy. And I also prefer my women without beards.

[–]FrostyNugsI'm allergic to nuts 7 insightful - 7 fun7 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

Why, why, why did I google it?

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 11 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

I am so sorry! Look at pictures of puppies and kittens for 30 minutes to counter the effects!

[–]deliciousdogfoodmy name isnt a puppyplay reference i swear 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He warned you and everything

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 23 insightful - 5 fun23 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

I like the bisexuals like you. I hate the pro-trans bi's who want to add maleness in lesbian related topics because they like dick and forget lesbians don't.

[–][deleted] 21 insightful - 4 fun21 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Those bi's make us all look bad tbh. I had a friend try to tell me I was 'gay' because I liked women, and later made a post about how its ok if bi women use that term or call themselves lesbians. I told her um, no. I'm not about to call myself gay when I like dick. It's really not a hard concept. It's like when I hear trans men calling themselves gay BECAUSE they like dick. No sweetie, you want het sex. Nothing gay about that. Go back to your yaoi and stfu.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

And unfortunately there is a lot of them. Althought I suspect that they are the ones who a very little same sex attraction comparing to the hetero one. Anyway, they're really fucking cancer.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have mixed sex characteristics, I would never expect bi people to be into me/people like me. Or anyone, for that matter. I can recognize I'm an outlier and that dating is hard for me, even without all the other issues like how I don't form connections/trust easily. If I can recognize and be okay with this, why the fuck is it so hard for trans people? Especially when, unlike me, they CHOSE to be trans, their mixed sex characteristics are ARTIFICIAL and more glaring than someone like me. They consented to looking like that, to ending up that way, so why do they think it's some conspiracy against them that the number of people who are willing to date them drops considerably?

If they really want a date so bad they can choose not to transition and not to have mixed sex characteristics. Again, a choice that some of us don't have. I can't make my wide hips go away, I can't stop looking "girly" and thus not be attractive to a large percentage of people who are into males, but a trans person absolutely can choose to stop wearing ill-fitting crossdress and not get bad plastic surgery.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You have my support. Just because you like both sexes doesn’t mean you’re not allowed to have standards and requirements. Besides, it’s natural for a bisexual to like different things for different sexes, because men and women are different. If you like something in men that you don’t like in women, and vice versa, then where does that leave trans people, and if that leaves them out, that’s okay? You have a right to rule people out for relationships. It’s your inalienable human right.

I’m gay. If I was bisexual, I still wouldn’t date a transsexual.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I wholeheartedly agree with you. And, as a lesbian, I really do admire the bisexual people who don't put up with this TRA crap and are able to be critical about it, as well as maintain self boundaries. Unfortunately, there are currently not a few, but lots of bisexual people contributing to the non sense where in, in particular those bisexual people who claim to be either straight or gay/lesbian and shame actual gays and lesbians for not liking pussy/dick. When I call bisexual out on here, I definitely don't mean you or any other bisexual here, but those who are damaging our community. I will definitely stand by bisexual people who are also being damaged with this. I personally call you "the old school bisexuals" in order to differentiate you from the ~progressive edgy more than 2 or 1 gender~ ones. We're all on this together. <3

[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

We are in this together! Thanks for the support. I actually used to feel sooo guilty for not being into trans people since I was bi. But the message is everywhere that you MUST date trans. And it's like....why? I'm not attracted to every person I encounter on the street just because I'm bi, why is it expected of me that I have to open my bedroom to a trans person for the same reason?

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Exactly. Like, we're literally allowed to turn down ANYONE for ANY reason. It can be something totally stupid, but we can and no one will scream phobia. WHY IS IT that when it's with trans people, we have to ALWAYS justify our attraction, or better, lack of attraction?!?!?!? Attraction is not something we can control. How is this even a doubt in 2020. Homophobia part 2.0

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 19 insightful - 15 fun19 insightful - 14 fun20 insightful - 15 fun -  (0 children)

All the hetero women who don't want to give their pussy to us are such homophobic bitches LMAO

[–]dramasexual 15 insightful - 5 fun15 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

get told all the time we "have no excuses" because we like both

You don't need an excuse. No is a complete sentence. Nobody is obligated to sexual attraction, ever, and it's horseshit in 100% of cases to expect someone to "explain themselves" for not wanting to fuck you. It's like TRAs decided to look at incels and went "yeah, let's do that but turn the dial up a little."

[–]HelloMomo 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If I were bi, I suspect I'd be like you.

I don't get delighting in the male form, but I do understand a dozen other forms of delighting in nature's creation, from waterfalls to newborn kittens to huge old trees. So I think I at least understand the concept.

There's a difference between the real thing and a man-made facsimile thereof.

[–]Constantine 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What these people seem to forget is that anyone can not be interested in anyone else for any reason and that's okay. The left used to be the ones championing this mentality against repressive conservative/cultural norms, but these people have gone so far left that they've swung back right again.

Why exactly would you want to be with someone who's not interested in you for your so-called immutable identity again? Why do you care? Oh right, it's just about controlling women and LGB people.

[–]3MistersAndAMissy 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Ask people if they like sushi AND also like ice cream. Now ask if they want sushi ice cream.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Tbh I'm gonna start asking for a list of these people's favorite foods. "So if I take all of these things, put them in a blender, and told you to drink it, you HAVE to drink it now. I mean you like all of them right? It's just in a different form. It's all the same food still with the same flavors. Why are you being smoothie-phobic?"

[–]deliciousdogfoodmy name isnt a puppyplay reference i swear 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're free to be attracted to anything and anyone you want. You're also free to not be attracted to anything or anyone you want.

Anyone who has even an iota of doubt regarding these two principles is at best a sociopath and at worst a rapist.

[–]caitlLesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Completely agree! Apparently bisexual = no standards. I never understood that

[–]thatradicallesbian 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think it's "throwing bisexuals under the bus" to acknowledge that generally speaking, only bisexual people are capable of attraction to a person who has mixed sex characteristics. This certainly doesn't mean that ALL bisexual people are sexually/romantically interested in people with mixed sex characteristics, and it always confuses me when I see people interpret it that way.

Just because a person has to be bisexual in order to be interested in people on cross-sex hormones does NOT mean that all or even most bisexual people are interested in that! In logical terms: being at least some degree of bisexual is a necessary condition for being attracted to both types/sets of sex characteristics, but of course bisexuality alone isn't sufficient to warrant the assumption that a given bisexual person will be open to dating trans people. Most probably aren't.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even though I don't agree that only bisexuals can be attracted to mixed sex characteristics, I get what you're saying. I agree it's not throwing us under the bus to say bi's might be more likely to be into trans. THIS however, is absolutely throwing us under the bus: https://imgur.com/a/1615IF8

People like that take a trend and paint everyone with the same brush, to the point where it becomes an expectation, a demand.

[–]Locke 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've only very recently started the process of accepting that I'm bi. Part of my realization was I've often had thoughts like, "If I really loved someone maybe it wouldn't matter to me if they somehow magically switched bodies." I had a lot of work to do to get rid of the sexual repression and homophobia I grew up with being raised Catholic, though. I also never dated until I was over 20 and admittedly used to have very skewed views of romance. I think my same sex attraction was so repressed the body switching thoughts were a way to "justify" it to myself. The sexual repression is far from the only trauma I've been through, too. I've admitted in other comments here that the label demisexual helps me but it's probably a trauma response. So many trans people need to admit how much of their wanting to transition is a trauma and repression response, probably often very similar to how I "justified" same sex attraction in my head before admitting it for what it was. It's sad we're not getting so many people the help they really need, and we're raising kids to hate themselves so much they think transitioning will fix them somehow. What a sick world we live in.

[–]ctizon 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think that what most gay people are saying is not that ALL bi people would want trans people, but rather that ONLY bi people (even if a minority) would be capable of feeling attraction to mixed sex characteristics. And that is totally fine when they're not calling themselves gay.