ColonizationKeep digging your own grave Stonewall, keep digging.

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[–]turtleduck23 41 insightful - 2 fun41 insightful - 1 fun42 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

The one thing I have notice is that a lot of woke trans allies are mixed on this issue. I have read comments saying that they support transwomen (they never mention transmen) but they don't think they should play with "cis" women and show concern for women getting hurt. However when then TRA shame them and call them "terfs" or "terfy" they quickly apologize, but it does show they not every has drunk the koolaid and even if they have been shamed to comply online I doubt they have changed their opinions offline. And, can you image if this really happen, it would be the southpark episode come to life.

[–]JulienMayfair 32 insightful - 3 fun32 insightful - 2 fun33 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

I think we can safely assume that this is about transwomen playing rugby with women and not about transmen playing rugby with men.

[–]turtleduck23 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Oh I know. I was referring to how trans allies only seem to support transwomen but never advocate or show support for transmen. Whenever I read comments about trans "issues" its always "TWAW" they never seem to comment support or demand that transmen play against men in rugby or football (for the US).

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    [–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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    [–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 12 insightful - 9 fun12 insightful - 8 fun13 insightful - 9 fun -  (2 children)

    A field full of tiny testosterone terrors I imagine.

    [–]JulienMayfair 33 insightful - 7 fun33 insightful - 6 fun34 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

    Nothing says "civil rights" like a 200lb. guy stomping a 120lb. woman into the ground.

    [–]CheesyPeas 17 insightful - 9 fun17 insightful - 8 fun18 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

    Equal rights, equal lefts.

    [–]8bitgay 30 insightful - 2 fun30 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Honestly sports show to me how quickly the TRA spread their narrative.

    I think the most common viewpoint of the LGBT community a few years ago was "trans people don't need to be in sports with cis people, you just need to respect them and their gender". Even trans people said that.

    Nowadays this view would probably be banned from many communities.

    Frankly at this point they might as well just make all sports mixed gender. If they say biological differences aren't an issue, then why even separate men and women?

    [–]deliciousdogfoodmy name isnt a puppyplay reference i swear 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    Frankly at this point they might as well just make all sports mixed gender. If they say biological differences aren't an issue, then why even separate men and women?

    This will happen if a trans person wishes on a monkeys paw. They get to play, but theres no validation uwu

    [–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 37 insightful - 1 fun37 insightful - 0 fun38 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Sorry, I don't stand with trans or non-binary people at all. Sports should be segregated based on biological sex.

    Well, actually I'm not sorry. It's embarrassing that a so-called gay organisation is defending this madness. It makes us look bad.

    [–]CJLez 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    What about gender fluid people? If their gender changes in the middle of a match do they have to get subbed out for another team-mate?

    [–]BEB 30 insightful - 3 fun30 insightful - 2 fun31 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    If you care about women's sports, there's a US organization called Save Women's Sports.

    I'm not 100% sure, but I think that it was Save Women's Sports that got a bunch of female athletes, including Martina, to sign a letter to the NCAA (US university sports regulatory body) asking that women's sports be kept for women.

    [–]lavender_menace 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Save Women's Sports

    [–]julesburm1891 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Former rugby player here. Fuck every single one of these “activists” who haven’t even set foot on a pitch. They have no idea how dangerous the sport is on its own, let alone with men playing against women. Seriously, it’s a recipe to permanently paralyze or kill someone.

    [–]BEB 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Oh, they have an idea how dangerous it is, they just don't care.

    The Powers That Be now let men play in all sorts of women's contact sports - roller derby, MMA, handball.

    SaveWomensSports.com has a lot of information on transgender born men competing in women's sports. If you have any sense of fair play, the stories on there will outrage you.

    [–]CheesyPeas 23 insightful - 6 fun23 insightful - 5 fun24 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

    https://www.usanews.net/images/haberler/2019/12/The-dream-shot-down-Teammates-will-not-bathe-with-her.jpg

    Spot the odd one out.

    Absolute fucking unit.

    'Hannah Mouncy' is his name.

    [–]Lessom 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    That’s really disturbing.

    [–]SerpensInferna 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's incredibly disturbing. Whenever I get into this topic with other people I just tell them "google Hannah Mouncy".

    [–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    How does rugby make you feel as a transgender or non-binary person?

    The Tyranny of Coddled Feelings, Chapter Nineteen Billion.

    [–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Idk about the rest of you guys but slapping "gay" on a hobby and making a special gay version for it makes me 100% likely to avoid it. If I want to play a sport I'll play the NORMAL FUCKING SPORT, there's no way in hell I'll want to be a part of a special gay version which is probably just a bunch of fetishization/glorification and virtue signalling. When I play a sport or engage in a hobby I don't want to be condescendingly patted on the back for being SO STUNNING AND BRAVE because I do said hobby while gay. I only want to be appreciated if I'm actually good at what I do.

    Plus I'm not "out", have no desire to be, and my sexuality isn't anyone else's business anyway.

    [–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Is that not an analogue to how the trans people feel though?

    [–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    And then the question goes back to why should one group's feelings (transgenders) be allowed to destroy another group's material reality (everyone else, but especially women?)

    Transgenders can compete in sports. Just not the sport of the sex they feel in their head, because sports are played by bodies, not feelings.

    Their rights end where other groups rights begin.

    [–]Seahorse 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm sure they've got the full support of Brick shit house Hannah Mouncey, reckon Fallon Fox would be on board too.

    They'll smash a few skulls together and shit.

    (If you don't know these names google, please google Hannah Mouncey it's like a fucking MadTV skit🤣).

    [–]luckystar 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    They turned off comments, but still got ratioed via likes vs. retweet w/comments

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      [–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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      Rule 4. Disallowed Language

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      [–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      "Sport should come from a place of inclusion"

      Even I'm no sports buff, but should that be 'sports' or 'sporting organizations' or 'sports organizations'?

      [–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      This type of statement is so irritating because transgenders can play sports - no one is stopping them as long as they play by the same rules as everyone else.

      One of these rules is that sports is segregated by biological sex because men receive more testosterone than woman from the womb on, and then puberty gives men more, distinct advantages.

      [–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      And aren't there some parts of the sexual dimorphism that gives females advantage in other areas of sports? I would assume they're more nimble, and can more easily be a lot more agile than most men on average? No sex is better overall, but there are distinct areas where each does have the advantage

      [–]SheepleArePeople2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      iirc at the top of the ladder men are straight up physically superior to women in literally every aspect. The only sport Ive seen where the top woman is virtually equal to the top man is archery.

      But yeah, the average woman is much more flexible than the average man.

      [–]luckystar 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I think sport is how they say it in the UK. Like how they say maths instead of math.

      [–]Lapis_Lazuli 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It's UK English—they say "sport" instead of "sports."

      [–]fuck_reddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Right to play? There is no right to play. If there is, I should sue the NBA and NFL for not giving me a spot on a team. After all, it's my #RightToPlay !!!!111!!1!