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[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

masculinity and femininity are gender. male and female are sex. without the separate definitions, "gender nonconforming" is meaningless. we need a term that refers to masculinity and femininity. gender is that term. unfortunately it has a simultaneous definition that is synonymous with sex which causes ambiguity.

there are languages with gendered nouns. this has nothing at all to do with sex. in French, a door is feminine (la porte, not le port). it is not female.

[–]BiHorror 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Gender and sex are the same thing. Gender in the past was used both for grammar and sex, then it dropped out of fashion for sex until John Money repopularized it to mean "societal expectations."

"Gender nonconforming" is meaningless. This is coming from someone who would be labeled "GNC" if she was only with being associated with a terminological distinction coined by a child abusing pedophile. Majority of society aka normal people don't even know this distinction either. Those who do? Bring up John Money... And, not in a positive light either. Femininity and masculinity do not need a "term," they're fine just the way they are. If for GRAMMAR, then maybe gender in its OLD/1st definition could continue existing: language only (which in itself is called grammatical gender. Not gender alone).

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Gender and sex are not the same thing. Gender is socially constructed masculinity and femininity. Sex is what type of gamete you produce. I don't know how to make this any clearer, and I fail to see why you are opposed to words that differentiate these two points. In your world, how do you even describe a masculine female or a feminine male? This distinction is crucial.

[–]BiHorror 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No, it's not becuase it wasn't even always like that until John Money came into the picture. Gender was always used for language and sometimes sex in relation to sex differences. So yes, they are the same thing and are always seen as such by normal people.

I fail to see why you are opposed to words that differentiate these two points

Look up John Money and see what this sicko did. That's why me and the majority reject this terminological distinction. I'm not supporting the works of a child abusing PEDOPHILE who took a term that wasn't even related to femininity and masculinity in the aspect of "societal expectations" (or people themselves in this manner) and bastardized it.

In your world, how do you even describe a masculine female or a feminine male? This distinction is crucial.

What I call them? Like everyone else. Normal people. At most, tomboy and tomgirl. Masculine women and feminine men. That simple. Not "GNC" queer/gender (identity) theory terms. I call them just I would call opposites but with different labels. Ex: feminine women, masculine men, androgynous women/men, etc.

Also, I'm not gonna sit here and be a hypocrite who bitches about TRAs when they try and change the definitions of woman/man and sexuality when people who do this whole "gender =/= sex" are doing the exact same thing. It's both or neither that get changed. The distinction is not "crucial." This line of logic is probably the fault since TRAs made their own form of gender definition using it.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

You have it completely backwards. It is the conflation of sex and gender that Trans ideology espouses.

[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Mate, I dislike TRAs but that's completely wrong. TRAs didn't conflate, they're the ones who want it separated because that's where their "gender identity" comes into the picture.

Gender and sex were always conflated, especially in mainstream. Before current times, it still was (dropped out of fashion), besides being used as grammatical gender. So, TRAs weren't even the ones who started that.

As for "gender =/= sex" that was feminists (who adopted John Money's works). TRAs came into the picture when stuff like queer/"gender" theory came about. That's where NBs come into the picture. TRAs were enabled, ex their "multiple genders," when sex and gender became separated.