My unpopular opinion - Gender and biological sex mean the SAME thing

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[–]mangosplums 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It’s not an important concept. It literally just means sex roles and people could talk about everything they want to talk about by using the term “sex roles”. Since gender is a synonym for sex, all you do by using the term gender, when what you really mean is sex roles, is confuse people. When people hear “gender is a social construct”, they don’t understand that what you mean is sex roles are a social construct. They think you mean that sex itself is a social construct because the word gender is a synonym for sex. That’s how you arrive at people thinking it’s possible to identify as a different gender. Because using the term gender the way that radical feminists use it creates a separate category that isn’t tied to biological reality the way that sex is obviously tied to biological reality.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

They think you mean that sex itself is a social construct because the word gender is a synonym for sex. That’s how you arrive at people thinking it’s possible to identify as a different gender. Because using the term gender the way that radical feminists use it creates a separate category that isn’t tied to biological reality the way that sex is obviously tied to biological reality.

Ok there's a lot to unpack here because you are mixing 100% true statements with 100% false statements.

They think you mean that sex itself is a social construct

True. Because they are using the wrong definition for gender and don't understand what it means at all.

because the word gender is a synonym for sex.

No that's completely false. Just because someone is wrong on a definition doesn't negate the actual definition.

That’s how you arrive at people thinking it’s possible to identify as a different gender.

Yes that's true but it's because they are all using an incorrect definition for gender. It's a direct result of doing what you are doing. Conflating sex and gender.

Because using the term gender the way that radical feminists use it creates a separate category that isn’t tied to biological reality the way that sex is obviously tied to biological reality.

No that's completely false. That is not how radfems use gender. They specifically tie biological sex to gender and that is the reason they are critical of gender. They are upset that women in particular were set up as second class citizens. That was the entire push behind 2nd wave feminism. To fight for equal rights under the law.

This whole idea of gender being a secret brain-sex has absolutely nothing to do with radfems or the actual definition of gender.

[–]mangosplums 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What I’m saying is that the reason they use the wrong definition of gender is because gender originally was just a synonym for sex until Judith Butler chose to change the meaning. Outside of academic and feminist circles, the word gender is still used as a synonym for sex regularly. You can’t attempt to change the meaning of a word that already has a meaning without expecting confusion, and people continuing to understand the word by its original definition.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

because gender originally was just a synonym for sex until Judith Butler chose to change the meaning.

Literally just look it up.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

The term gender had been associated with grammar for most of history and only started to move towards it being a malleable cultural construct in the 1950s and 1960s.[15]

Sexologist John Money introduced the terminological distinction between biological sex and gender as a role in 1955. Before his work, it was uncommon to use the word gender to refer to anything but grammatical categories.[1][2] For example, in a bibliography of 12,000 references on marriage and family from 1900–1964, the term gender does not even emerge once.

[–]aftx 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

for most of time in western history, sex=gender. some dude called john money said so otherwise in 1955, but that didn't hit mainstream until the Obama era.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

False.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

The term gender had been associated with grammar for most of history and only started to move towards it being a malleable cultural construct in the 1950s and 1960s.[15]

Sexologist John Money introduced the terminological distinction between biological sex and gender as a role in 1955. Before his work, it was uncommon to use the word gender to refer to anything but grammatical categories.[1][2] For example, in a bibliography of 12,000 references on marriage and family from 1900–1964, the term gender does not even emerge once.

[–]aftx 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ok, the sex=gender part is wrong I guess?