LesbianAccording to the TRAs “lesbian culture comes directly from trans lesbians”

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[–]julesburm1891 80 insightful - 7 fun80 insightful - 6 fun81 insightful - 7 fun -  (8 children)

It seems kind of odd that LGB people have been well-documented throughout all of civilization, but trans people have only been around since the mid-twentieth century with a major uptick in the past decade. It’s almost like the former group is a naturally occurring phenomenon and the latter isn’t.

[–]Sittingonarainbow 51 insightful - 5 fun51 insightful - 4 fun52 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

They have solved this problem by transing every strong female historical figure: Marie Curie, Joan of Arc, all the female authors who published under a male name, all Viking women. If history doesn't feature your cult, just rewrite history.

[–]julesburm1891 51 insightful - 2 fun51 insightful - 1 fun52 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The Joan of Arc thing makes me really angry. She saw herself being a woman as central to being chosen by God. (A woman arising from the marshes of Lorraine was a popular belief in France during her lifetime.) Just because she preferred “men’s” clothes (which were basically just leggings) and wasn’t afraid to fight, doesn’t make her trans.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 43 insightful - 11 fun43 insightful - 10 fun44 insightful - 11 fun -  (2 children)

Jeanne d'Arc was wearing "feminine" cloths by todays standarts, but those were "masculine" cloths back then. So it is even more weird with their own description of femininity and masculinity.

JK Rowling published under men's name too, so her books are taken seriously. I guess she is trans now and all attacks on her are just transphobia.

[–][deleted] 31 insightful - 4 fun31 insightful - 3 fun32 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

You joke, but I've seen some people speculate that JKR is secretly trans and all her criticism of extreme trans activism is just internalized transphobia. An incredibly niche conspiracy theory, but one that just shows how far the denial goes in some of them.

[–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

But remember, being trans doesn't have anything to do with how feminine or masculine someone is <insert eyeroll>.

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is what gives me the most scepticism about trans identity being a natural phenomenon and not a purely social one.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 24 insightful - 3 fun24 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It seems even more odd that this phenomenon is not occuring naturally in countries where women have no rights, and it only occuring by force (Iran, Thailand) nowadays. And that homosexuality is observable in animal world too, but not transgenderism.

[–]lxit09 58 insightful - 27 fun58 insightful - 26 fun59 insightful - 27 fun -  (3 children)

Interesting way for them to say that lesbians would be nothing without straight guys

[–]Jinera 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Omfg you made me laugh 😂

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nailed.

[–]turtleduck23 56 insightful - 10 fun56 insightful - 9 fun57 insightful - 10 fun -  (10 children)

In their minds transwomen are responsible to everything good in our society. They trans those who are dead and try to rewrite history. Women right to vote? thank transwomen. Gay rights? transwomen, walking on the moon? i'm sure they believe transwomen were involved somehow. They believe drag queens stole their image for transwomen so it's no surprise they are coming for lesbians.

[–]julesburm1891 46 insightful - 1 fun46 insightful - 0 fun47 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But if you ask them to supply literally one instance for any of their claims, you’re suddenly a bigot who should educate yourself. Like, please, show me one transbian who’s contributed anything to lesbian culture. Just one.

[–]ThiccDropkickGay 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But if you ask them to supply literally one instance for any of their claims, you’re suddenly a bigot who should educate yourself

And if you pursue the point, then it becomes "omg why are you so obsessed with this?" still without any attempt to back up what they originally said

[–]CJLez 38 insightful - 5 fun38 insightful - 4 fun39 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

They trans those who are dead and try to rewrite history.

A woman adopting a pen-name or dressing in masculine clothing to get a job that women were forbidden from doing in the 1700-1800s? Nope! Transman. Everyone knows that historical women are feeble minded people who never tried to succeed or gain rights in any way.

A gay drag queen on camera stating how he finds it funny that people don't belive he is a gay man? Nope! Transwomen. Everyone knows flamboyant men don't exist - if she was living in a more accepting society she would have been openly trans.

A butch lesbian drag king, living in New York, who died in 2014, way after being trans became mainstream and all of their friends say that they were a lesbian? Nope! Transman. Everyone knows that drag performers never used opposite sex pronouns to refer to themselves, that is something that only trans people do.

[–]julesburm1891 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Deborah Samson dressed as a man so she could fight the British in the American Revolution and then spent the rest of her life living as woman? Nah, trans. Mary Ann Evans had to publish books as George Eliot to be taken seriously as an author? Nah, trans.

It’s maddening that they can’t see that women have historically had to pretend to be men to be able to do much of anything in the world.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Recently there was published book about Margaret Ann Bulkley (James Barry), woman who wanted to be a surgeon, but it was impossible for a woman to work as a medic, under the threat of prison, and they are claiming she was trans as well. As someone said before - they are thinking that women in 3rd world countries 200 years ago had same rights as they, white males in modern 1st world contries, have today. And that they were living perfectly fine and they just chose to beome trans because they were trans, as they could do all same as a woman in their eyes.

[–]Cuppatea 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So true. More than 400 women disguised themselves as men and fought in the Union and Confederate armies during the Civil War. I have some awareness of this because a friend is writing a book about it. They HAD to dress as men, and many joined because they were single women with no family and needed the money.

[–]8bitgay 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What I find funnier is when they say that people from other cultures are trans. For example, saying that feminine male characters and masculine female characters in manga/anime are trans. When people point out that they identify as male/female, the answer is always "you're ignoring the cultural differences and being disrespectful to that culture! They aren't being called trans just because the word isn't common in that culture1".

Well, if that's the case isn't it colonialist to say that your word should be applied to them? If they're considered male/female in their own culture, who gave you the right to give them a word that they don't use? Why is your culture better than theirs? Why is it ok for you to call others trans, but we can't call gay/lesbian someone who identifies as queer?

As much as they preach for self identification, they love identifying others.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If gender stereotype of being feminine is to have big muscles in one culture, than musculed man will be feminine. But gender ideologists are not understanding that cultures in world are different. It is clearly seen with their tries on "Latinx" and other changes to gendered languages, not realizing how those langaugaes work at all. They think adding new gender is just change ending in few words and that is it, while in reality adding new gender require changing every second word and some word interractions.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 17 insightful - 9 fun17 insightful - 8 fun18 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

Jesus was wearing dress-like cloths, this means Jesus was trans, and Jesus is a son of a God and God, who created everything. So transes created everything.

[–]Cuppatea 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your so right. I tied to link to a NYT article today about how much lesbians ( which the Times chose to label as queers) fought for women’s right to vote. (I didn’t title it correctly —my fault) Next trans lesbians will insist they were the ones that won women’s right to vote.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 34 insightful - 14 fun34 insightful - 13 fun35 insightful - 14 fun -  (10 children)

Ohhh it's great to be bi and have no culture. Trans can't steal something that doesn't exist.

Though I won't mind if they take the lemon bars and cuffed jeans/finger guns shit that /r/bisexual keeps churning out.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

Don't forget the bisexual bob hair-cut! Unless...you're a bi-guy, then you don't get shit, lol.

...How did these things become "bisexual culture" in the first place?? Did /r/bisexual have a lot of the same personal anecdotes or experiences and it became a thing?

[–]artetolife 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

It's just lerandom penguin of doom logic. The asexual subreddits do the same thing because they don't have a culture, history or much in the way of shared experience either.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Oooh? What stuff did the asexuals come up with for their culture?

[–]artetolife 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Garlic bread, cakes, and dragons. They also have a ring which makes me laugh, why does being asexual need to be signalled?

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 12 insightful - 7 fun12 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

(So they can find asexual boyfriends and have asexual sex.)

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They literally sat around trying to force this stuff into existence. That's why you always see posts that are like "Omg u guyz!!! I don't like lemon bars/sitting stupidly in chairs/bob haircuts/cuffed jeans am I really bi???"

(Well, I shouldn't say "always" I've been avoiding that sub for a while so IDK what it's like in the past few months.)

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

But lemon bars r good

[–]StupidHappyPancakes 26 insightful - 13 fun26 insightful - 12 fun27 insightful - 13 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not trying to shame anyone for their appearance, but why is it that all these activist trans women look like variations of the exact same dude?

[–]ThiccDropkickGay 23 insightful - 18 fun23 insightful - 17 fun24 insightful - 18 fun -  (2 children)

Lesbians wouldn't even exist if it weren't for trans women (of colour, let's add that in too). We really owe everything to them after all

[–]BigMommyMilkersYes, they're real 18 insightful - 13 fun18 insightful - 12 fun19 insightful - 13 fun -  (1 child)

Transwomen literally invented the wheel. Never forget.

[–]ThiccDropkickGay 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Fact-checking is violent transphobia

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 27 insightful - 5 fun27 insightful - 4 fun28 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

HOLD UP! Now I have to make a second comment because is this MTF dumb-ass trying to imply MTF Men-preTendingtobe-Female human beings influenced lesbian culture in any way whatsoever? At first read I automatically assumed he meant the "FTM" (butch/masculine presenting women of the past who they are in the process of posthumously transing one by one.) But no, he literally lives on a planet where he thinks transsexuals/transvestites had anything to do with lesbian culture on planet earth. In what year?? The 1920's? The 1880's? The 1960's? When were these two groups doing anything together? The transsexuals were too busy trying to be straight women and the transvestites were too busy putting on their wives panties.

I'm so sick of people straight up LYING about the past like this. We get it TRA's. You are nothing without a past, so you try to fake one, but with a fake past, you only further prove that you are fake as well.

[–]a_blue_bird 21 insightful - 10 fun21 insightful - 9 fun22 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

What is he referring to? The ''I want tiddy'' and ''lesbians love girldick'' memes on r/actuallesbians? It's the antithesis of culture. We could say that transwomen have contributed to the degradation of lesbian culture, but that's about it.

[–]8bitgay 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Ah yeah Tom of Finland was a trans woman.

They couldn't hide it like we could

I know trans people who hide it from their family and got married before same-sex marriage was legal (their partner was opposite sex). Sure they had to conform to their sex for the wedding cerimony but that's a small price to pay for a life of legal rights. To their family they're still just a happy straight couple. People can choose where and when to express gender.

Unless he thinks that trans people are only valid if they try to pass 100% of the time... But somehow I guess that he would disagree with this statement.

It'd be much harder to hide sexuality. If you want to pass an image of a happy straight couple you'd have to find someone to be your beard. In places/times when gay marriage isn't allowed, a cis gay man can't just put on a dress and pretend to be a woman for a day to get married to another man.

Not to mention that there isn't a single country that punishes transexuality while allowing homosexuality. Yet, there are countries that punish homosexuality while allowing transexuality.

[–]julesburm1891 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Oscar Wilde. Harvey Milk. Elaine Noble. Marlene Dietrich. All trans. /s

But, for reals, give it five years and they’ll probably be saying this in complete seriousness.

[–]CJLez 35 insightful - 1 fun35 insightful - 0 fun36 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The worst one I've seen is many, many people claiming that Alan Turing was trans because he had 'chose to have HRT'. Never mind the fact that it was forced chemical castration that utterly destroyed him both physically and mentally.

It was honestly heartbreaking the first time I saw them claim it but they keep citing each other and eventually it'll end up in a Newspaper and then considered factual and we'll be bigots for saying he should have never been tortured like that.

[–]kwallio 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That really irritates me, he committed suicide because he couldn't live with chemical castration and being forced to renounce his homosexuality, transing him retroactively is fucking horrible.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They have no shame.

[–]8bitgay 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

The funny thing about Tom of Finland is that I saw him being mentioned by the TQ supporters recently (not the TQ themselves, though).

It was a Twitter thread some time ago complaining about the "masc4masc" gays. They mentioned that the model of masculinity that these masc4masc gays follow nowadays is derived from Tom of Finland's works, and that they owe everything to "us". "Us" in this case being the "feminine" men. Obviously when they say feminine men they aren't talking about actually feminine or androgynous men, but rather about the kind of effeminate men who try to emulate drag queen and support TQ.

I couldn't believe that they could be so blind to what they were saying. They were actually using Tom of Finland, a man that spent years creating unapologetically cis gay sexual imagery, for the "you owe it all to us" line. If Tom of Finland lived nowadays and was popular enough, they'd be the first ones to cancel the guy complaining that he doesn't draw trans men, that he doesn't draw effeminate men, etc.

[–]julesburm1891 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Holy shit. That is actually nuts. I don’t even know where to begin.

[–]CleverNickName 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

What a lunatic. He wrote earlier today, and this is an actual copy and pasted quote (I'm too lazy for screenshots) :

"i’ve personally influenced lesbian culture more than all terfs combined throughout history"

1.4k likes in 12 hours.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know whether to be mad at this obvious lunatic, or the 1.4k enablers that "like" this shit.

[–]saged 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

he's trolling I feel (or he's as crazy as he looks) but I doubt those people (even if some are bots) are trolling. They hate TERFS aka women so much they'll like any tweet thats talking shit about them. Funny, the people most likely to murder/harm transwomen are men but they have all this unfiltered hate for women all year round. A man kills a transwomen? Indya Moore and the blue Check gang only care for a few tweets, then they are back to blaming cis women for everything. Hate for us is a year long 24/7 thing for them.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are as crazy as they look. I read his twitter as well. This is what unchecked mental illness looks like.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

But how many trans lunatics are on twitter? Or are they bots?

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 20 insightful - 6 fun20 insightful - 5 fun21 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Is this satire? This is like an obsessed weeabo saying they "created" japanese culture or that the Americans "created" Latin American/African/European etc culture when the USA is considered a baby/new when it comes to world history...

It's just bizzare.

[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 5 fun16 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Citation needed.

[–]Rosefield 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ugh these nasty fuckers. They can never ever not lie.

"Hurr durr we gave you everything!!1"

Horseshit! They can only destroy, not create

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They will appropriate everything, won't they?

[–]PassionateIntensity 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If any one of them ever tells the truth about ANYTHING, wake me up.

/Rip Van Winkle

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This dingus is factually incorrect

[–]saged 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

looking through this person twitter, I can't tell if they are a troll or being 100% serious, they say the dumbest shit. Here's examples of "Lesbian Culture" that transwomen have created according to Peter Griffen-

"some examples: indie gaming, queer comics and animation, makeup trends started by trans women, high femme aesthetic, calling yourself a top/bottom/switch, changing your name and/or pronouns, body positivity and autonomy, gender freedom and diversity, witchcraft"

Because I can't tell if this person is being honest or trolling, i'm not going to give them anymore attention, sad thing is there's people in the comments agreeing with them. How hateful.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

calling yourself a top/bottom/switch

Are they mixing gay men and lesbian women into one category?

makeup trends started by trans women

Make up trends for lesbians? Almost every lesbian I know is using minimum of make up, and mostly just taking care of their skin.

witchcraft

So Torquemada was killing only transwomen?

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To see how they've brainwashed real LGB people into believing that we owe our existence and rights to them... This is how every dystopian novel that we were all assigned to read in grade school starts.

[–]divingrightintowork 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I want to say "Now they're just saying nonesense," but that implies they were at one point not.

[–]beereadit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are narcissists so of course they believe that.

[–]Gearbeta 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hey guys you know what else this guy wrote? This!: https://i.imgur.com/M6uJscq.png How to have lesbian sex with a transwoman on Autostraddle.

[–]dandeliondynasty 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

In other news, black culture was created by people in blackface.

[–]aftx 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

she also said every protagonist over the next 3 year has to be trans

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