DiscussionBeing associated with radical feminism is dragging this movement down.

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[–][deleted] 46 insightful - 4 fun46 insightful - 3 fun47 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

Most gay men I have ever met have their own stuff to worry about and have not spent a lot of time defending lesbians because lesbians have historically been able to keep their own gate until queer theory replaced women’s studies with gender studies. So I don’t think it’s the mean lesbians being mean, because we can differentiate between males enough to tell which ones are assholes. If men want to interpret women having criticisms as “all men are bad” then it’s hard to convince anyone otherwise, and most of us are not super worried about that because women. You’re basically suggesting that getting rid of terfs will help us not be called terfs. Which is not actually true. Most of us are not even terfs, including terfs.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

In the beginning I did notice some of the gc crowd having an “all men attitude” and even outright homophobia implying gay men were all whores lol. I don’t think it was from gc lesbians but the hetero gc who has a strong presence there. They defended lb as fellow women under attack but gb men were still “the patriarchy” it did drive off a few gay men in the beginning.

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Gc people tend to be homophobic bigots OFTEN, ive found. I unsubbed because they were suggesting firing someone over being trans at all. Just as bad as the gc on reddit, who were just as bad as TRAs. But that doesn’t mean lesbians who are radfems are all extremist trash and we should distance from them. If we had paid more attention to them years ago it’s unlikely we would have gotten so far down the TRA rabbit hole.

Also, any woman who defends women against partriarchy, or even uses the word, has the “all men attitude” to people who don’t want to actually address any issues. It’s as if a woman failing to provide a “not all men” disclaimer before every statement with “men” in it has an “all men attitude.” No one means “all” of anyone, that’s not logical and I doubt the speakers feel it’s every man

[–]lairacunda 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I think you need to differentiate a few things. Anyone can be gender critical (gc). It may have started with radical feminism but it has much broader appeal. There are definitely right-wingers who are gc and there are right-wing women who are gc but not radical feminist. I haven't run into too many homophobic right-wingers or religious extremists at r/GenderCritical or s/GenderCritical because, guess what? Homophobic bigots tend to get shut down or banned. GC on this site set its settings to opt out of the general feed thus allowing bans for CMV posts and challenges. I think it's really important, especially on this sub where everyone is familiar with the gc concept and the GC sub, to differentiate which it is you are referring to.

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I have seen bigot and homophobic behaviour here, and on the GC sub on Reddit. That’s factual. I’ve also seen the same homophobia, but a different flavour, on most TRA subs. The I think a lot of GC are obviously not radfems. That is an important distinction, and one that is not made enough. People behave like they are synonymous, or believe they are. But GC as a community is difficult to stomach.

I can tell the difference between things and also know what homophobia is. You don’t have to be a religious fundamentalist to be a homophobe, or an extremist. Many people who are GC are not so critical of gender when it comes to themselves, only LGBT. That is pretty homophobic and it’s VERY common.

[–]lairacunda 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sadly you are correct about a lot of this. The thing with r/GC is that it had non-stop trolling. Banning 100+ trolls in any 24 hour period was typical. The sub was intended as, and was, a radfem sub. But there was a constant influx of newbies who were peaking and were coming in from all types of backgrounds. The men would usually say something stupid and get banned right away. The women who said something stupid were mostly engaged with. Why? Because radical feminism is for women. So inevitably there was a learning curve. s/GC is actually a different animal. It's a different modcrew, as far as I can tell. There seems to be way less trolling but also fewer actual radical feminists. And that's just my impression, I could be wrong. The comments seem a bit more mainstream so some homophobia slipping through the cracks wouldn't surprise me. On r/GC, homophobia would get smacked down swiftly but the sheer volume of fucked-up comments would be difficult to keep up with.