DiscussionBeing associated with radical feminism is dragging this movement down.

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[–]materialrealityplz 54 insightful - 4 fun54 insightful - 3 fun55 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

Yeah, indeed. I think radfems are helping women and the movement more than anything - other people are staying silent.

If OP doesn't want radfems to have such loud a voice in this, then more gay men, and more men in general need to speak the fuck up. (Most women speaking up about it get labelled 'radfem' (as in TERF) but are really just gender critical...)

[–]Astrid2448[S] 16 insightful - 10 fun16 insightful - 9 fun17 insightful - 10 fun -  (6 children)

Many gay men have been turned away from this movement because of radical feminists treating them poorly. I know because I know several of them. This was also a common topic on reddit, gay and bi men who agree but don’t feel comfortable around women who are often frankly misandrists and social justice warriors. The same happens with many straight people and even women in general who arrive to support and then realize that there are still a lot of extremists here. It was part of the reason I made this post

[–]reluctant_commenter 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Okay, this is an actionable item and perhaps a reasonable criticism to level against radical feminists.

But, you are posting in s/LGBDroptheT not GenderCritical. Unless I am much mistaken (gay/bi men feel free to chime in), people here in this sub are pretty friendly towards men, right? If the GC people are rude towards men, they don't seem to be doing it here, that I can tell.

What can we do here in this sub to improve in this issue? I am interested in implementing positive change.

[–]lairacunda 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You're not going to get a reply because u/Astrid2448 is here to rant about radical feminism being 'mean' and not centering gay men. This is a shitpost.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

People invoke “mean dyke” (re: mean radfem) as a way to guilt lesbians into lowering boundaries because it’s a lesbian stereotype that they are happy to believe applies to all of us. It’s the Trojan Horse that let all the non-lesbians in to begin with so it’s pretty ironic that we have been booted out of the community and now someone wants us to be “nicer” to males, as if being more “inclusive” was not the PROBLEM in the first damn place. How do they think every lesbian community ended up full of non-lesbians? Magical “fluidity”? Lol

Seeing another whole group of lesbian feminists condemned for being unpopular because people are not paying attention to who is who is maddening to me. We can disagree with women who are radfems and poli lez and whatever without completely booting the only lesbians who are on our side (for the most part) from the entire fight. Lol

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I'm not sure if it's an intentional shitpost or not. I don't mind engaging in case it's not. But, the silence is kinda telling either way-- because I don't see any "calls to action" for what to do about the described grievances.

edit: also, I am the commenter you thought was an anti-radfem gay man, lol.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

This is the exact reason I am pissed at women online. “They are not the ‘right’ lesbians, so let’s get rid of them” sentiment. I don’t see us getting a community back in the real world if this is the type of behaviour people engage in. Why would women bother fighting?

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I don't know what to say. I have seen some really thoughtful comments so far from GC, and from those who are anti-GC, but then you get stuff from people who assume which "side" you are on from one mild comment.