DiscussionBeing associated with radical feminism is dragging this movement down.

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[–]Astrid2448[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, but I do think there’s a big difference between what radfems were doing and what most gay people were doing. The vast majority of gay people are not obnoxious twitter activists. Many of us didn’t believe it because we weren’t involved in the community outside of the bare minimum and dating. Lesbians especially tend to partner off and vanish. Gay men come for the parties. Half the reason we were taken over so easily is because after gay marriage was legalized, most gay people felt safer and went on with their lives.

Radfems on the other hand, have been the twitter activists from the start. They act the same because again this is a war within the woke left which has essentially split. A few years ago radfems and TRAs would’ve been in the same circles. It’s a big part of why they hate each other so much - they feel betrayed by each other and feel like they need to stop the other group from lobbying for the changes they want. And they both think they’re doing it for the good of humanity.

[–]lairacunda 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"A few years ago radfems and TRAs would’ve been in the same circles. It’s a big part of why they hate each other so much - they feel betrayed by each other and feel like they need to stop the other group from lobbying for the changes they want. And they both think they’re doing it for the good of humanity."

Radical Feminism became suspicious of trans very early on, though when there were a lot fewer trans and TRAs, what exactly they were in terms of a social-engineering agenda wasn't clear. They also tended to stay in their lane and were mostly actual disphorics as opposed to AGPs. That changed after the 90s but it changed gradually. The erosion of women's rights has also been gradual. I would agree that radfem is leftist but it's also outside of the left/right framework. The class analysis of radical feminism may have originated with Marxism but the classes it identifies and the path towards women's liberation are way beyond any framework the left provides. Unlike traditional political tendencies, radical feminists recognize patriarchal women as being in the same class as all women.