DiscussionBeing associated with radical feminism is dragging this movement down.

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[–]Astrid2448[S] 10 insightful - 9 fun10 insightful - 8 fun11 insightful - 9 fun -  (12 children)

It’s not the lesbians being mean, it’s the radical feminists being misandrist social justice warriors who are often just as arrogant and authoritarian as TRAs. And yes, if you treat people like trash or act like a moron they’ll be less inclined to support you.

[–]LiterallyawomanTERF IRL 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

These are all just your opinions you can’t present them as a fact to be debated over. Someone asked you earlier for evidence of the radfem anti-science agenda you stated exists, want to provide that?

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Swing on over to GC and watch all of the horrible, mostly not radfem, users in action saying hideous things to people when many are straight and homophobic, at the very least. Which category do they fit into? Or are we just mad at radfems?

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

I am a little confused. You seem to be implying that GC != radfem. Elsewhere in this thread you said that TRAs have redefined "TERF" to mean "anyone against TRAs". Yet, when I lurk on GC sometimes, it seems like people are using "GC" and "radfem" interchangeably.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I am implying gc and radfem are NOT the same thing. Some women are radfem on gender critical, but gender critical is it’s own thing since lots of them are not radfems. Radfems are critical of gender, but gender critical ppl are not all radfems.

I said check out GC if you want to see some problem behaviour instead of blaming radical feminism. Lots of GCs are homophobes.

But the distinction doesn’t matter to TRAs because they think we are ALL “trans exclusionary radical feminists” no matter what any of us believe. That’s what I am saying.

And even on here most users don’t seem to know the difference between gender critical and radical feminism

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lots of GCs are homophobes

GC feminism is still mostly led by lesbians. It is just that now even straight non-feminists or men's rights advocating men are joining GC as well, because of the fact that TRA are THAT much annoying and problematic to literally every person who has glimpses of the logic.

And of course with "normal people" there comes homophobia.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Gotcha, makes sense.

And even on here most users don’t seem to know the difference between gender critical and radical feminism

Well, to be fair, I'm not sure if all the GC people do either, since I have seen some of them use the terms interchangeably.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What homophobia have you seen from GC? Homophobia re gay men or lesbians? I have heard some people mention GC people being homophobic but I feel like I haven’t personally seen it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

There's a lot of people over their who like to rile people up and be bigots. They've got their own set of troll types just like the TRAs do.

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Where are you seeing these GC and radfem bigots?

I've lurked on GC spaces for years and can count how many bigoted comments I've seen, there were that few.

I get a sense there's a lot of gaslighting going on in this thread...

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I saw a few of them over on reddit when the numbers were starting to grow. There would be a handful of people who would stir. E.g. calling trans people (as a group) narcissists, fetishists... often with the effect of slandering them as opposed to pointing out genuine criticisms of the community. A lot of inflammatory language that is designed to get people pissed off. That said, the saiddit has been a lot better. I suspect because it's smaller there is less to gain for someone who likes to stir people up.

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OK, now I understand where you're coming from and thank you for explaining!

For myself, I wouldn't call the words "narcissists" and "fetishists" bigoted: I would call them descriptive.

In my experience, women are trained from birth, in every culture I've encountered and I've traveled a lot, to never vent their anger.

So I myself am totally fine with women on a feminist sub venting their anger at men who are narcissists and fetishists (transgender activists include a staggering amount of both) taking a sledgehammer to women's rights, colonizing women's safe spaces, appropriating women's oppression and triggering women's innate PTSD from having been the victim of male violence and sexual harassment from the time they can remember.

I think it's healthy and given that the GC subs are meant to be one of the few spaces women can express themselves freely, I don't think the women on there should have to rein themselves in for fear of offending others.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OK, now I understand where you're coming from and thank you for explaining!

For myself, I wouldn't call the words "narcissists" and "fetishists" bigoted: I would call them descriptive.

In my experience, women are trained from birth, in every culture I've encountered and I've traveled a lot, to never vent their anger.

So I myself am totally fine with women on a feminist sub venting their anger at men who are narcissists and fetishists (transgender activists include a staggering amount of both) taking a sledgehammer to women's rights, colonizing women's safe spaces, appropriating women's oppression and triggering women's innate PTSD from having been the victim of male violence and sexual harassment from the time they can remember.

I think it's healthy and given that the GC subs are meant to be one of the few spaces women can express themselves freely, I don't think the women on there should have to rein themselves in for fear of offending others.