"we can have trans only spaces, but you can't have single sex spaces" - trans person, as is typical, can't understand why lgbdropthet is a thing

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[–]julesburm1891 54 insightful - 16 fun54 insightful - 15 fun55 insightful - 16 fun -  (2 children)

“The LGBT already have separate social groups that meet specific needs.”

Biggest laugh I’ve had in a while.

[–]reluctant_commenter 38 insightful - 9 fun38 insightful - 8 fun39 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

Uh yeah. I saw that too lol. A lot of those people are very checked out of reality. If there is a lesbian "social group that meets specific needs" on reddit, then I would love to know about it. Oh, wait...

I'm also surprised that they are concerned about "trans people not being able to have any power on their own". Unfortunately, the medical industry and wealthy white billionaires looking for profit are way too eager to "help" trans-identified people.

[–][deleted] 20 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Like, where, please direct me to all of these many spaces. Lol.

[–]LiterallyawomanTERF IRL 54 insightful - 7 fun54 insightful - 6 fun55 insightful - 7 fun -  (11 children)

I gotta say transmen are some of the biggest handmaidens and that says a lot about gender roles and identity

[–][deleted] 32 insightful - 4 fun32 insightful - 3 fun33 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

They sure are. Trans men are the leaders of the sorrowful victim narrative, but as soon as no one is listening they turn into tantruming baby level end bosses.

[–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please[S] 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

baby level end bosses, lmao.

[–]reluctant_commenter 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Handmaidens? Is that like a reference to the Handmaiden's Tale?

[–]uroborosjohnson 34 insightful - 3 fun34 insightful - 2 fun35 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It's basically a girl that simps for the shittiest of men

[–]fr_bandersnatchghey... 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I thought handmaidens are cis LGB sympathizers? Like "quislings"?

[–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please[S] 31 insightful - 2 fun31 insightful - 1 fun32 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

a handmaiden is typically any female who advocates on behalf of men, even when she thinks she's advocating for something else entirely. A good example is "feminists" who think that feminism should intersect with and include transwomen.

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Oh I have no idea, that's why I was asking. Sorry, I am still learning the lingo.

So sort of like someone who does trans bidding for them? That makes sense.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If you google "handmaidens of the patriarchy" it will make more sense.

https://imgur.com/hkiYuPD

[–]reluctant_commenter 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

HEY! How dare they dirty the legacy of Jane Austen with their nonsense!!!

I will take a look, thanks for the rec lol.

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    [–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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    [–]SeasideLimbs 50 insightful - 1 fun50 insightful - 0 fun51 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Yeah I agree but the trans community alone is not powerful enough to make a change, so it has to be LGBT or else we'll just be ignored and not able to make a change :(

    Well, at least they're admitting it...

    The ironic thing though is that they're actually selling themselves short by saying that. This used to be true. But nowadays, with literal millions upon millions of dollars being pumped into trans activism, the truth is that the T no longer needs the LGB at all. All the major organizations are about the T now and hostile towards LGB. All the wealthy people who keep donating to sexual minorities are all putting their money into the T.

    [–][deleted] 46 insightful - 2 fun46 insightful - 1 fun47 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    They are powerful enough to turn a generation of gay kids in fucking eunuchs

    [–]shveya 48 insightful - 1 fun48 insightful - 0 fun49 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    I used to think truscum were some of "the good ones" until I discovered that sub and truscum YouTubers. They are every bit as misogynistic and homophobic as tucutes.

    From that thread: "Politically if we seperated trans people would be royally fucked because we are literally a minority within a minority." You'd think that realizing this, they'd treat gay and lesbian people with a bit more kindness.

    [–]Some-unoriginal-guy 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Instead they are trying to convert them

    [–]Astrid2448 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Same here. They’re pretty much the same, they just pass better and advocate for dysphoria. Which, even dysphoria is just a fancy word for “wants to be the other sex”

    [–]shveya 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    If anything, they’re more sexist than the tucutes they’re always complaining about, as they push the “sexed brains” narrative.

    [–]Astrid2448 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yup that too, more sexist but less outwardly ridiculous

    [–]PassionateIntensity 40 insightful - 2 fun40 insightful - 1 fun41 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Is it me or are "truscum" becoming more like the rest of the trans movement? I suppose it's that TRA extremism radicalizes everyone. God knows I've become meaner and less willing to concede anything to make them feel better. Why should I when they don't even care women in prison are being locked up with serial rapists with a penis?

    [–]shveya 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's not just you. Browsing through the truscum subreddit peak truscumed me, because of how much they shit on feminists and other women. Before that, I thought that they were at least 10% less misogynist than tucutes/trenders.

    [–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please[S] 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    ya, they banned me right after i said transwomen are male, why can't lesbians have female only spaces? I mean, you have trans only spaces. ban hammer.

    [–]Astrid2448 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    From what I can see, what happened is that they were originally the transsexuals of the past. Then as the trans movement got more extreme, more and more people from the mainstream trans movement got displaced into truscum, where they wouldn’t have fit even a year ago. So now you have all these trans people there that pretty much believe all of trans ideology except “autismgender” being real, and call themselves reasonable because of it

    [–]PassionateIntensity 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    There are some grains of truth and common sense statements in some of the replies, but they're couched in self-pitying "waaah LGB are transphobic for not agreeing with me and prioritizing themselves over meeeeee." They lied about us, gaslight and tried to manipulate us, got us banned, and still want us to put THEIR needs over ours. No.

    [–]notdelusionalbased faggot 26 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

    We certainly aren’t a big enough group to start our own thing - if we tried, we’d be vulnerable.

    In other words, a parasite needs a host.

    [–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Related:

    But being LGBT never was just about sexuality minorities

    Yeah, it was. Until the late '90s.

    [–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    can confirm, was around when it was just LGB. I never understood why the T was attached in the first place. Sure, back in the day most of them started out as homosexuals, but they only hung out with us until they could pass. After that, it was bye bye homos.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Never forget LGB. MAN, I MISS IT. Even our infighting was campy.

    [–]notdelusionalbased faggot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Can also confirm. This transgender bullshit was not a thing. At all. Transsexuals and transvestites were around, but very rare and way off to the side.

    [–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Yup, I remember having to remind myself to add the "T" to "LGB." I remember when it was added.

    [–]notdelusionalbased faggot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    HRC officially added the T in September 2001. Interesting that was the month of the 9/11 terror attacks. Probably coincidence.

    [–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    No idea, but "LGBT" was increasing in prevalence in the few years before that so that sounds about right.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah, and transwomen were actually chill back then. Like respectful of everyone and got respected back. It was fine.

    [–]Smolders1Cock is god's greatest gift. 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

    When can we abolish gender so this whole identifying nonsense can end and people realise that identifying as something you're not is fucking insane and that going against human nature shouldn't be encouraged?

    [–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please[S] 28 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    I wish, my favorite is how they accuse "t*rfs" of reinforcing gendered stereotypes. DARVO at it's finest.

    [–]insta 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    When can we abolish gender

    Do you mean "abolish gender" in the sense that there's only biological sexes?

    [–]Smolders1Cock is god's greatest gift. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    No? It's just that gender is a social construct that is harmful to women.

    [–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I don't understand how someone can believe in having woman-only or even lesbian-only spaces and believe gender should be abolished. Those seem to go hand-in-hand.

    [–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Not sure you two are using "sex" and "gender" the same way.

    [–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Hence my first question. If by abolish gender this person means "There should be zero distinction between males and females" then I strongly disagree with that.

    [–]Smolders1Cock is god's greatest gift. 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    No, of course not. Getting rid of any visible distinction between males and females is moronic. Sorry for any confusion I've caused. My response to your first comment was rather contradictory. Let me put it this way:

    I don't think people should be allowed to identify as literally anything they want (I'm a biological male for example, I don't believe I should be able to dress in what is considered 'feminine' attire and claim I'm a woman just because wearing said attire is a common gender assumption associated with women). Just because I identify as a woman doesn't mean I am one and should therefore be given access to spaces specifically designed for women, if you catch my drift. Those spaces should be for people who were assigned the female sex at birth; not for biological men who just look like women or identify as such, why should biological males be able to walk on into female bathrooms willy-nilly with zero repercussions and invade the privacy of actual women? Hopefully I've just typed out something that's cohesive and makes sense, if so, I apologise, I'm incredibly tired and should be sleeping rn but.

    All in all, point I'm trying to make is that (like I said earlier) gender is harmful to women as a lot of men use the gender roles associated with them to invade their spaces and receive zero repercussions as a result, grown men shouldn't be able to compete in women's sports because they believe they are a woman, so I believe that participation in women's sports should be based on biological sex rather than gender identity. Same for women's toilet usage, biological men should not be allowed to enter spaces designed for females. The abolition of gender would be extremely helpful.

    Like I said, if this makes no sense to you, please feel free to ask me more questions regarding my opinions on the subject. Cheers. :)

    [–]8bitgay 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    Can't they see the irony of saying that in a sub that is only for truscums?

    I don't care if a handful of transphobes want me gone. I'm a man and I'm bisexual, that space was created for men who are bisexual, I belong there. I'm not leaving queer male spaces just to make a minority of assholes comfortable they can just get over their transphobia.

    I can easily imagine a tucute saying: "I don't care if a handful of truscums want me gone. I'm trans, that space was created for trans people, I belong there. I'm not leaving trans spaces just to make a minority of assholes comfortable they can just get over their transphobia."

    That sub isn't even a "trans only space", it's a "specific trans subset only space". They allow themselves to exclude queer people that they don't deem trans enough, but somehow gays and lesbian can't do the same. If they really believe what they're saying, then get out of that sub and go sharing those truscum views with the general trans subs (and get ready to be banned).

    I mean, aren't truscums supposed to find dysphoria an essential part of being trans? This should mean that they know their genitals aren't compatible with the gender they identify. You can't put such a weight in genitals and then say "oh yeah, it's totally ok for a person with female genitals to be in a gay bathhouse".

    [–]julesburm1891 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    So, my girlfriend and I were talking with two of our gay friends a couple of days ago about how frustrated we are with trans people taking over the community and demanding us to change our sexual orientations. We all came to the conclusion that trans people can’t be gay and need to stay out of our spaces. I had the same conversation with my gay uncles last night and they had also come to the same conclusion.

    I know this is anecdotal and only encompasses six people. However, if six liberals who have always supported the trans community have peaked in the past year, I think we’ll probably see a whole lot more LGB peaking. The trans community can keep acting the way they do and brushing us off as “a handful of transphobes.” But, they’re going to wake up one morning in the future and wonder why the overwhelming majority of LGB want them to fuck off.

    [–]8bitgay 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I'm in a similar situation too. I have always been supportive of trans people. Many trans people get kicked out of their houses and suffer violence just for being trans. I really can't agree with that. I had a trans friend (we lost contact over time) and I felt empathy for his stories of dysphoria. This old friend of mine was against the idea that gays/lesbians should date trans, by the way.

    But hell, agreeing that they have a right to live is different from agreeing that they have a right over other people's sexuality. Somehow "gays need to date FtM / lesbians need to date MtF" turned into the major point of conversation. And let's be real: that's the actual reason they want to be in our spaces so much. A FtM wouldn't fight so much to be in a gay space if he was totally fine with just being friends with the gay men in that space. A lesbian wouldn't use Grindr to make friends with gays.

    You don't see gays/lesbians demanding that straight people should date us. You don't see gays/lesbians demanding to be represented in straight porn. You don't see gays/lesbians demanding that movements of other minorities should focus on us instead.

    I wonder if an overwhelming majority of LGB will ever be upfront about this, though. I can't say for lesbians, but there is a lot of internalized homophobia among gay men. When you have a sense of inferiority about your own sexuality, it's hard to stand up for it.

    Also, lesbian couple with gay uncles? That seems adorable, best of life for you all!

    [–]windrunner 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    You don't see gays/lesbians demanding that straight people should date us.

    We also don't call straight people homophobics because they don't want to date/sleep with us BECAUSE WE'RE GAY.

    We also don't threaten physical and sexual violence on straight women when they don't agree with us/or even when they are homophobic.

    We don't compare them to nazis.

    We don't demand their spaces or spaces that only cater to them.

    But I know a group that does all of this and more.

    [–]8bitgay 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    And frankly the community doesn't even admit it. They'll spend the day saying these things, but when confronted about it people will say "oh no, nobody is forcing you to date trans", "nobody actually says that", etc.

    I don't know at this point if people are lying to others or just lying to themselves and pretending not to see things. Probably both.

    [–]julesburm1891 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes! My uncles are great. They were so supportive of me as a teenager and have been a big part of my adult life. I’m very lucky to have them.

    [–]Astrid2448 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I have a similar story from this past weekend. My wife (bisexual) visited her brother and mentioned that I (lesbian, Astrid) had gotten a lot of hate from within the LGBT community before because of this trans stuff. Her brother is a straight macho dude, the type who lifts and builds things. Apparently he responded like “haha, that trans stuff is crazy, these days it’s the gay people who really hate all that stuff”. We’re all in our mid-20s.

    Something is definitely changing.

    [–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I know right? like they can't see the irony? reddit is nothing but one big echo chamber.

    [–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    They're just proving our point, that we need to separate. Many of them are calling us transphobic lmao. It's clear that LGB and T don't understand each other! It's pointless keeping us together.

    [–][deleted] 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    That bi trans man in there was insufferable. No, you do not belong in gay or bisexual men’s spaces if they don’t want you there, dildo.

    [–]shveya 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    She sounds like all the other Aidens who are harass gay men.

    [–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please[S] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    Aidens, lmao

    [–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please[S] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    and now they're on an "oh no, the t*rfs are after us! we don't want them in our spaces!" and it seems like the tucutes are trying to get them banned, lmao. now you know how it feels kiddos.

    [–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please[S] 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Well, at this point they deleted my last comment and banned me :D

    [–]Revision10Just a guy 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Some of the answers in there are sensible, actually.

    [–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I did see some rationality here and there, yes. Some.

    [–]IAmSatanVery... very... very gay. 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Eye roll worthy.

    [–]Astrid2448 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Lmao there’s someone in the thread saying trans women are “female”. Not even women, female.

    [–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    oh ya, they've been saying that type of thing quite a bit lately. "I'm more female than I am male". Um, no. You most definitely are not.

    [–]midnight305 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yep I commented on something yesterday about how much of a fucking hypocrites trans are for yelling about being excluded from lgb groups, but god forbid us homos go to a trans only group we get banned.

    Like oh I thought your statement was about everyone being entitled to be included in everything including personal spaces and daring spaces.