"Lesbians can become straight" r/AL (Trans woman called a TERF)

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[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 42 insightful - 9 fun42 insightful - 8 fun43 insightful - 9 fun -  (3 children)

One comment says it's invalidaing to say lesbianism is based on same sex attraction, cause she's a lesbian attracted to transwomen and attraction is complicated. No, idiot, it is invalidating that bisexuals keep using the word lesbian and convince males real lesbians are into them

[–]BiHorror 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm genuinely curious but could these "lesbians" have internalized biphobia? It's like they can't just accept that they're attracted to both sexes, and have to choose a side along with trying to justify it with lesbo/homophobic bs. Like, I personally think they have internalized, but I just wanna see what others think as well on here.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wish I could begin to guess. Would be nice to see an anonymous survey and really find out what they're thinking. In the meantime they just seem not terribly literate, which isn't a good look on anyone, and I wonder if they've thought about that. /s

[–]windrunner 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These ppl want to forcibly call themselves lesbians bc it's "cool". They don't accept what they really are, they don't accept that lesbians exist and that our sexualities don't revolve around men in any way or capacity, even if one day they decide to "become a woman bc they feel like one". They can't fathom the thought that women can only be atracted to other women, exclusively. So what do they do? Because they know they are not lesbians, they try to tweak and twist the meaning of the word "lesbian", spreading false lies to suit their narrative. They want to have a label that does not apply to them just because.

[–]julesburm1891 28 insightful - 11 fun28 insightful - 10 fun29 insightful - 11 fun -  (1 child)

“I don’t think attraction is based solely on sex characteristics either (I mean asexual homoromantic/heteroromantic people exist.)“

Yeah, nitwit, but we’re talking specifically about sexual attraction. Asexuals have absolutely nothing to do or say here.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Lol. Touché

[–]SeasideLimbs 25 insightful - 10 fun25 insightful - 9 fun26 insightful - 10 fun -  (2 children)

Queer theorists eating each other. The same person called a TERF thinks there are 6 different sexes.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 8 insightful - 15 fun8 insightful - 14 fun9 insightful - 15 fun -  (1 child)

6 different sexes

The only possible explanation is if they mean: Sex in bedroom, sex on kitchen, sex in car, sex in livingroom, sex in bathroom and for special snowflakes - sex alone. Six different sexes!

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Transwomen are pro in sex alone, I bet lol

[–]LiterallyawomanTERF IRL 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

"labels don't matter and you can be anything" you know what sure ok YOU can but that ends when another person has their own label and boundaries

[–]turtleduck23 29 insightful - 7 fun29 insightful - 6 fun30 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

I love when they say labels don't matter to them but they go on to label themselves as a "demi queer trans" and expect you to validate their feelings and if you don't get their pronouns right they have a temper tantrum and say you are literally killing them.

[–]LiterallyawomanTERF IRL 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's excellent doublethink.

[–]windrunner 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The only answer to this is that they really are fucking stupid.

[–]Astrid2448 22 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I think the idea of words not having meanings is the source of 90% of this bullshit. If a word meant nothing, you would have no reason to use it. There is such a demand for access to words like “lesbian” because they do know what it means and like the idea of being seen that way, even if it isn’t true. Otherwise we’d see just as much demand for identifying as a turtle or an Xbox.

Every time someone incorrectly leaves themselves, the meaning of that word changes a little more. At this point the majority of people calling themselves lesbians in gay spaces are not lesbians. That has an effect on the world and especially on actual lesbians.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There is such a demand for access to words like “lesbian” because they do know what it means and like the idea of being seen that way

That's where the needle rips off the record for me, because a more-accepting world is the world we fought to create for them and they're acting like a bunch of toddlers in a playpen with cream pies and down pillows to fling everywhere. Pearls before swine?

Sadly I have never seen a subculture that didn't get trashed by tourists in this manner once word got out that it was cool. Not once. It happens every time. Is that what's going on here? They think it's a party bus and wanna cram as many onto it as possible?

I note with no small amount of irony that this also happened to the Internet...

[–]Astrid2448 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

they definitely think its a party bus that makes them look cool. a big part of it is also the fetishization of lesbians. there's a reason why straight men aren't demanding to call themselves gay men, but women of all forms are demanding to be seen as lesbians, posting pictures on instagram of them making out with their friends, engaging in threesomes when they're straight, etc.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah yes, I keep trying to forget about that shit. Bonus gross points when they (straight women) point their play-acting at actual L/B women for funsies.

Edit: Clarifying which group I mean in the second comment.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

If words meant nothing we would literally have no place to put our socks.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

"labels don't matter and you can be anything"

You don't understand, they redefined here "you" and it means "I". So this reads like "Labels don't matter [for me] and I can be anything".

[–]tarun 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

I think I'd respectfully disagree here. I've dated trans women who were pretty early into their transition (just came out, short hair, just started HRT) and, while I'd occasionally glance over and have a mental hiccup like "wait am i seeing boy?? am confused" as my brain caught up to itself, as soon as my brain buffered and I remembered who I was with my attraction was very lesbian, because I was seeing these people as women. I don't like men at all, but my personal attraction to each of them was strong, because I knew they WEREN'T men. Even though they'd probably be misgendered in public, since I knew they were women and I saw them as women, I was attracted to them as women.

Posted by someone in that thread. What the actual fuck... If you are attracted to a regular dude who just says he's a woman, then you AREN'T A LESBIAN. Why is this so hard to understand?!

[–]CJLez 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

as my brain caught up to itself, as soon as my brain buffered

Well that doesn't sound like mental conditioning at all.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Self-gaslighting.

[–]insta 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Imagine having to self-delude yourself into dating someone.

Reminds me trying to date a girl back when I was 15 and didn't know I was gay.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

She's fighting to maintain the doublethink and admits it... that's quite sad.

[–]BiHorror 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I saw that... Didn't think it was possible to cringe so hard at stupid shit like that. It's hard for them to understand because they want to "queer uwu"

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Mental gymnastics 😂 Lesbian - a woman attracted to non-men /s

[–]Astrid2448 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

So what, if this person stops identifying as a woman do they just automatically go back to thinking they’re ugly? Clown world

[–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The gaslighting is strong with the T.

[–]windrunner 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The mental gymnastics are incredible with this one lmao

[–]LasagnaRossa 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cognitive dissonance at its finest. This girl is making impure thoughts that go against the ideology and she's scared. Repeating the mantra is the way.

[–]fr_bandersnatchghey... 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

So that's what Exodus International is doing these days.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Christ on a stick...

Lesbians are females who are attracted to females.

No transgenderism involved. No males involved.

What the fuck is so difficult to grasp?

[–]Beth-BR 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Another "sex bad" mindset. Uuggh

[–]PassionateIntensity 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Aw, is the leopard eating your face? Boohoo.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

while I'd occasionally glance over and have a mental hiccup like "wait am i seeing boy?? am confused" as my brain caught up to itself, as soon as my brain buffered and I remembered who I was with my attraction was very lesbian, because I was seeing these people as women. I don't like men at all, but my personal attraction to each of them was strong, because I knew they WEREN'T men. Even though they'd probably be misgendered in public, since I knew they were women and I saw them as women, I was attracted to them as women.

That is some grade A cult mentality bullshitology.

[–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Here's a gem of comment from that thread...

So true! Why do some people think that someone's sexual behaviour determines what their sexual orientation is? There are quite a few lesbians who live in conservative areas and are pressured into sleeping with a man. This does not mean that they are attracted to men, or that they are less of a lesbian. Only who you are attracted to shows, what your sexual orientation is.

Like, wtaf.

[–]Astrid2448 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do think this is true, but in the context of the thread it’s stupid. For example, a bi woman isn’t a lesbian just because she chooses to only sleep with or dare women. She is still bi and attracted to both, and that could come into play at any time.

[–]lmaonope333 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

one of the comments:

I think I'd respectfully disagree here. I've dated trans women who were pretty early into their transition (just came out, short hair, just started HRT) and, while I'd occasionally glance over and have a mental hiccup like "wait am i seeing boy?? am confused" as my brain caught up to itself, as soon as my brain buffered and I remembered who I was with my attraction was very lesbian, because I was seeing these people as women. I don't like men at all, but my personal attraction to each of them was strong, because I knew they WEREN'T men. Even though they'd probably be misgendered in public, since I knew they were women and I saw them as women, I was attracted to them as women. If they were stealth and I just saw them in public, without knowing them, I probably wouldn't pay them any attention. So I think you're right to that extent. But there is a switch that flips in your mind when you know somebody's a woman, even if they are super early into their transition. Or at least that's how I experience my personal attraction to women. I've never been a boobs person though, and I've always liked women who were a little androgynous, so I dunno. I also know that everyone's experience of sexuality is different. Let me know if any of this is disrespectful or offensive.

wtf